[Announcement] Lemmy.ml has defederated from ani.social (and what this means for us) - AniSocial
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Please do not say anything hateful to the Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] admins or the developers. Before commenting on this thread, please read the post completely. — We (ani.social) have been defederated from Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] a few hours ago presumably for the reason of being “full of CSAM” which I disagree. ## What happened? The Lemmy developers recently launched the new redesigned join-lemmy.org [https://join-lemmy.org] webpage which provides information about Lemmy and a list of servers that people can join. The redesign looks great! It details a lot of new and useful stuff such as a categorized server list and mobile apps. However, I noticed that our instance (ani.social) was not in the list despite previously being there before the redesign. After looking through the joinlemmy-site code [https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site], I discovered that ani.social was added to the “excluded” list in a commit a few weeks ago [https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/commit/d17c4d7d2fbeafb6e39000332d0ac21499de5b47]. I thought that this was a mistake so I made a pull request [https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/266] to remove us from the excluded list (and also to add our instance’s category and language). Unfortunately, the pull request was closed with a comment that reads “No, that is full of CSAM”. The thread was locked so I couldn’t reply. I tried to reach out to the developers via Matrix, politely explaining that ani.social has a content policy rule against CSAM [https://ani.social/legal] which reads: > 7. Do not submit content depicting a child (both real and virtual) engaged or involved in explicit sexual activities. A child is defined as a person who is under 18 years old; or a person, regardless of age, who is presented, depicted or portrayed as under 18 years old. Unfortunately, my invitation was rejected and I did not hear back from them. Shortly after, I discovered that Lemmy.ml had defederated from ani.social [https://lemmy.ml/instances]. The last post ani.social received from Lemmy.ml [https://ani.social/post/861241] was just after the pull request was closed. ## What does this mean? This means that no user from ani.social can interact with communities from Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] and vice versa. This affects those who subscribe to communities from that instance. This also affects the anime community on Lemmy as a whole because the biggest anime discussion community resides on Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] (!anime@lemmy.ml [/c/anime@lemmy.ml]) in which their episode discussion bot, @shinobu@ani.social, is hosted here. It’s very concerning that as an anime-themed instance, we’re now completely disconnected from this community and other related communities. This also affects ani.social in the long run as our exclusion from the join-lemmy.org [http://join-lemmy.org] webpage will reduce our visibility. The exclusion from join-lemmy.org [http://join-lemmy.org] and defederation from Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] may also prompt other instance admins to defederate from us. Generally, ani.social will be seen in a very bad light. As the admin of ani.social, I genuinely feel heartbroken after what had happened. Not only do I feel like I’m doing a poor job of building ani.social but I also feel like I’ve disrespected the work of the Lemmy developers. I really apologize to those who are affected by this. I hope that this is just a misunderstanding and I will do my best to resolve this problem.
  • kaboom36@ani.socialEnglish
    652·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been on this instance for a about a month now, and I’ve not seen anything remotely like that

    It would not shock me in the least if the reason this instance was put on that list was because of one of those “all weebs are pedos” jerks

    • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
      251·
      1 year ago

      Remember when a bunch of instances banned nsfwlemmy because they allegedly allowed pedo content, when in truth they just decided to not moderate fictional characters where the age was not obvious (like potentially 18, but plus / minus a couple years)?

      I think especially Lemmy.ml should rather focus more on cleaning up their Tankie & moderator issues instead of chasing ghosts, because that instance is a toxic cesspool of assholes and disinformation.

      • cacheson@kbin.social
        15·
        1 year ago

        I think especially Lemmy.ml should rather focus more on cleaning up their Tankie & moderator issues

        As much as I would love to see it, I don’t think the lead devs of lemmy, who own both lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, are going to ban themselves.

          • Socsa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            That’s how it was originally. They spun lemmygrad off to an entirely different serve because they made a halfhearted attempt at going mainstream, which seems to have lasted about 5 minutes

  • Microw@lemm.eeEnglish
    34·
    1 year ago

    allegedly

    A bit weird that they didnt want proof of misconduct, but hey

    • Callie@pawb.socialEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      Wouldn’t they use allegedly in the same way that news orgs use it? It’s lack of accountability if they get sued

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
        231·
        1 year ago

        It kind of cuts both ways, though. If you want to actually punish something for doing something, “allegedly” doesn’t really cut it.

        Hey, I allege that lemmygrad has tons of Loli porn on it! No need to check, I’m alleging it. Guess it needs to be blacklisted now too?

  • Nix@merv.newsEnglish
    341·
    1 year ago

    It looks like ani.social they have a rule to forbid the content though might have just been posts that weren’t reported

  • Socsa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    81·
    1 year ago

    ml seems to be coming a bit unwound. They have been super ban happy lately but enforce the rules very unevenly. Hexbears can post pig shit gifs, but citing mainstream political science gets you banned pretty reliably if you do it under the wrong gaze. It really is starting to look more and more like fediverse cancer.