Have you paid attention to popular opinion of Israel these past 3 months? Since, you know, they started a genocide?
Alright, first, this isn’t even close to the start. This is just another flare-up of the ongoing genocide that’s been apparent to anyone who pays attention to foreign affairs (ie not most Americans).
Yeah there certainly are a lot of people with strong opinions about Israel and Palestine that haven’t so much as taken the time to open the Wikipedia page about the conflict. TikTok said it’s cool to be pro Palestine so that’s good enough for quite a few people.
I’m certainly not supporting Israel’s actions currently but man how many people so quickly forgot what hamas did only a few weeks ago. It’s like it never happened.
I think you can be anti genocide and anti carpet bombing while also believing strongly that hamas doesn’t need to exist anymore and it’s members are terrorists that deserve the same treatment that Isis and Al qaeda received.
Don’t interpret me as saying I’m supporting what they are doing currently. I said explicitly I don’t. But after an attack like that I’d fully support military action in the area. You’re a fucking fool if you think any modern nation would ever accept that and just sit by without responding.
The problem is in what the response is. Is it a prolonged occupation going building by building? Worked out great for the US. Israel and the US should definitely set about the framework of taking out anyone claiming to be hamas leadership outside of the country. Anyone who had a hand in that attack.
Again the response isn’t indescriminate carpet bombing, but there must be a response.
Now you tell me what it should be. It’s super easy to sit in your tower and pretend like you have all the answers when we both know you’re likely full of shit.
I at least can admit what reality is here. As far as I’m concerned anything else is just people spewing bullshit when they have no idea what they’re talking about.
It should have been a ceasefire long ago. Netanyahu has set a criterion for victory (wiping out Hamas) that he knows cannot be met by his current means (attacking Gaza). He wants to be able to continue attacking Gaza with no end possible.
You’re correct but this is the first time it’s gone viral on tictoc. I’m not sure you’re understanding how unelectable Biden is now among the young voters that he needed to turn out in record numbers. He will not win another election now that he’s so poisoned.
One young guy I work with votes the other 12 dudes I work with don’t. Most young ladies I work with vote.
The one dude votes Dem. Most ladies I know vote Dem. In my echo chamber of life at my job nobody young is voting for Trump and nobody has turned on Biden because they weren’t with him in the first place they’re just not voting for Trump.
But that’s my echo chamber of my work place. Tiktok is an echo chamber too.
Because he actually doesn’t. He won last time idk if you know that or not? Trump needs the turnout more. Covid crushed his base, a lot of the Republican voters are old people and Christians which is only a falling demographic. Trump needs the youth more than Biden does. Most youth who are politically interested are so because of the Trump admin/roe v wade.
The youth that is moved is not towards Trump. You do not understand I think.
Yeah cause Trump and the Republicans are totally against Israel aggression, genocide and are for a free Palestine.
Newsom has the following election to look forward to, he won’t get a look in at this one. It’s Biden or a Republican.
A shit choice for many, but only one option has a chance for the American experiment to continue. The other is global fascism, war and mutually assured destruction.
You’re correct that Trump is worse, worse for the country and for the current genocide.
Hillary showed us that a better, yet unelectable opponent falls to Trump. This election is so important, which is why it’s so unacceptable that Biden has thrown it away. He needed the young voters to turn out in record numbers, and now they all hate him. He’ll be handing it over to trump the same way Hillary did by continuing to run after the polls showed she loses to Trump but Bernie wins. She should have stepped down then.
The only possible recovery at this point is a different candidate. Newsome, Bernie, someone else with a strong anti genocide opinion needs to step up or were handing it to Trump.
Biden is poisoned now. He will not win another election.
We can’t afford for anyone left of Reagan to give in to defeat. Fight, like fuck, for whichever dem has the majority party support.
Any Dem infighting will be exploited by the captured corporate media and bad faith actors to destroy to the literal fabric of democracy in the next election cycle.
Vote Dem in 2024 then unfuck the system.
Other option is meh your way into a literal concentration camp at the hands of fascist sycophants.
Shit choice, but not a difficult one, to me at least.
If it’s so dire, then fuck Biden for supporting a genocide. He’s throwing away an election before it happens. He’s unelectable now.
I think this is the scenario Newsom has been preparing for.
“He’s unelectable now”
Yes, I’m sure that not supporting Israel would have been much better for his election chances.
Like, have you paid attention to popular opinion on Israel at all these past 20 years?
Do you know what the US electorate looks like, or just what you want it to look like?
Have you paid attention to popular opinion of Israel these past 3 months? Since, you know, they started a genocide?
Alright, first, this isn’t even close to the start. This is just another flare-up of the ongoing genocide that’s been apparent to anyone who pays attention to foreign affairs (ie not most Americans).
Second, US popular opinion is nowhere near turned against Israel yet. Even amongst Democrats it’s an even split.
Yeah there certainly are a lot of people with strong opinions about Israel and Palestine that haven’t so much as taken the time to open the Wikipedia page about the conflict. TikTok said it’s cool to be pro Palestine so that’s good enough for quite a few people.
I’m certainly not supporting Israel’s actions currently but man how many people so quickly forgot what hamas did only a few weeks ago. It’s like it never happened.
I think you can be anti genocide and anti carpet bombing while also believing strongly that hamas doesn’t need to exist anymore and it’s members are terrorists that deserve the same treatment that Isis and Al qaeda received.
Hamas leadership isn’t in Gaza. How is attacking civilians in Gaza going to wipe out Hamas?
Don’t interpret me as saying I’m supporting what they are doing currently. I said explicitly I don’t. But after an attack like that I’d fully support military action in the area. You’re a fucking fool if you think any modern nation would ever accept that and just sit by without responding.
The problem is in what the response is. Is it a prolonged occupation going building by building? Worked out great for the US. Israel and the US should definitely set about the framework of taking out anyone claiming to be hamas leadership outside of the country. Anyone who had a hand in that attack.
Again the response isn’t indescriminate carpet bombing, but there must be a response.
Now you tell me what it should be. It’s super easy to sit in your tower and pretend like you have all the answers when we both know you’re likely full of shit.
I at least can admit what reality is here. As far as I’m concerned anything else is just people spewing bullshit when they have no idea what they’re talking about.
It should have been a ceasefire long ago. Netanyahu has set a criterion for victory (wiping out Hamas) that he knows cannot be met by his current means (attacking Gaza). He wants to be able to continue attacking Gaza with no end possible.
And we’re funding that with no strings attached.
You’re correct but this is the first time it’s gone viral on tictoc. I’m not sure you’re understanding how unelectable Biden is now among the young voters that he needed to turn out in record numbers. He will not win another election now that he’s so poisoned.
You know, you’re not going to get very far in any conversation when you just keep saying “he’s unelectable now” over and over.
You’d think curiousaur would be too busy spending their lottery millions they get from their prognosticative powers to talk to us here on Lemmy.
All that power and they chose to lord it over us poor Lemmy users.
The young people said they didn’t want Hillary and look what happened. Keep sleep walking.
you’re in an echo chamber bro
I’m not at all. It’s only the young people and Muslim voters who have turned on him, but that’s enough.
One young guy I work with votes the other 12 dudes I work with don’t. Most young ladies I work with vote.
The one dude votes Dem. Most ladies I know vote Dem. In my echo chamber of life at my job nobody young is voting for Trump and nobody has turned on Biden because they weren’t with him in the first place they’re just not voting for Trump.
But that’s my echo chamber of my work place. Tiktok is an echo chamber too.
Right, he needed to turn out those young voters who don’t vote currently, and now that’s not going to happen.
By he you mean Biden right??
Because he actually doesn’t. He won last time idk if you know that or not? Trump needs the turnout more. Covid crushed his base, a lot of the Republican voters are old people and Christians which is only a falling demographic. Trump needs the youth more than Biden does. Most youth who are politically interested are so because of the Trump admin/roe v wade.
The youth that is moved is not towards Trump. You do not understand I think.
Keep sleep walking. The kids don’t want Genocidal Joe.
“We don’t need you.”
later
“It’s your fault we lost!”
Yeah cause Trump and the Republicans are totally against Israel aggression, genocide and are for a free Palestine.
Newsom has the following election to look forward to, he won’t get a look in at this one. It’s Biden or a Republican.
A shit choice for many, but only one option has a chance for the American experiment to continue. The other is global fascism, war and mutually assured destruction.
I know what choice I’d make.
You’re correct that Trump is worse, worse for the country and for the current genocide.
Hillary showed us that a better, yet unelectable opponent falls to Trump. This election is so important, which is why it’s so unacceptable that Biden has thrown it away. He needed the young voters to turn out in record numbers, and now they all hate him. He’ll be handing it over to trump the same way Hillary did by continuing to run after the polls showed she loses to Trump but Bernie wins. She should have stepped down then.
The only possible recovery at this point is a different candidate. Newsome, Bernie, someone else with a strong anti genocide opinion needs to step up or were handing it to Trump.
Biden is poisoned now. He will not win another election.
We can’t afford for anyone left of Reagan to give in to defeat. Fight, like fuck, for whichever dem has the majority party support.
Any Dem infighting will be exploited by the captured corporate media and bad faith actors to destroy to the literal fabric of democracy in the next election cycle.
Vote Dem in 2024 then unfuck the system.
Other option is meh your way into a literal concentration camp at the hands of fascist sycophants.
Shit choice, but not a difficult one, to me at least.
You are correct on all of your points here.
The question is what do we do now that Biden is absolutely unelectable now?
Hillary showed us what happens when we stay on the poisoned horse. It does not cross the finish line no matter the effort.
Please. He’s behind by 2 or 3 points in the polls and the election isn’t until next November.
And falling.