Need a politics-free safe space? It’s called “going for a walk”

  • dartos@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    I think that’s awful an immature behavior. When you fight idiocy with aggression (at least on social media) you just get idiots who think they must be right and start truth social or something

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        I usually just ignore them.

        I find that a lot of crazy right wingers do it to “own the libs” or get a rise out of their supposed enemies. It’s all just a sports game to people like that.

        If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

        Almost nobody posts on the internet trying to challenge and reconsider their beliefs, so it’s not like you’re going to change their mind anyway.

        I mean that’s what I think, at least

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          I usually just ignore them.

          Does ignoring the fascists make them go away? Please.

          If you ignore them they get bored and stop being so staunch in their awful beliefs. When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

          So now you’re accusing us of making fascists more fascist, as an excuse for your ridiculous theory of just ignoring fascism.

          like you’re going to change their mind anyway.

          Its not even about changing their minds. Its about forcing them out of shared spaces. Fascists should driven out, shamed, harassed, and redacted.

          What you think is lib bullshit that gets your spaces infiltrated and taken over by fascists and reactionaries.

          You want to ignore them fine, but don’t condescend to people who confront them and drive them out of shared spaces as if you have a more “mature” solution. Your solution is literally “if i close my eyes they go away” baby logic

          • dartos@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            And here we see an aggressive communist in the wild. You have a good day, dude

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              We actually study history and read shit. Like I just finished reading Long Walk to Freedom & Armed and Dangerous, both are a fairly good firsthand on how “fascists” respond to non-violence and only start to have reservations when the oppressed shoot back.

              Oh and PIGPOOPBALLS

              • dartos@reddthat.com
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                It’s just polarizing. You’re just making people more staunch in their beliefs or just annoying people who would rather not deal with aggression (like myself)

                If your goal is to drive people away and make a space where everyone just agrees with you all the time then it’s effective.

                  • WideningGyro [any]@hexbear.net
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                    This is really the point to hammer home. Back in my lib days, I started hanging out with a dude who was much cooler than me, and his anarchist friends. We once got to talking about how our town used to have a pretty substantial neo-nazi presence, in the 80s-90s. I said something to the effect of “good thing people are smarter today!” and he and his friends got really animated and saying how “they didn’t just go away one day, we fucking chased them out of here!”

                    While at first I just didn’t like getting yelled at, it eventually dawned upon me that that he was right. I, and everyone I had ever talked to about it (other libs), just assumed that that whole unpleasant nazi thing just went away, through the magic of progress, presumably. It was just a thing that was there once, now wasn’t. People like him and his friends (and I’ve since met many more) were the actual people who went out and risked life and limb to oppose the nazis everywhere the went, to vandalize their posters and stickers the moment they went up, to show up in numbers every time there was a demonstration. To do everything to make life as shitty as possible for these pieces of shit until it just wasn’t really viable to be a nazi in our town anymore.

                    That whole realization did a lot to cure me of my “we can’t sink to their level”/freezepeach brainworms.

                • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                  Polarization is clarifying. It drives away fascists which protects their targets and makes spaces safe for them. It also exposes people who would more readily share spaces with fascists and just ignore them than with the people who oppose them.

                  If it drives away people like you who ignore fascism, yet want to argue that opposing it is immature, then that’s a bonus

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          When you fight with them it makes them feel like they’re right. You end up forcing them to rationalize every shitty position.

          Literal fascist talking point. “Look what you made me do”

          I mean that’s what I think, at least

          Investigate before you start thinking next time. Are trans children out there looking for fights just by existing or is your belief that fascists need to be provoked first founded on nothing but bullshit?

          • dartos@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            Yknow I’m talking about on social media platforms, right?

            Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization, so I just ignore people instead. I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.

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              Frothing at the mouth raging at someone on a social media platform doesn’t do anything but cause more radicalization

              Are you deadass actually suggesting that people are transphobic ableist nazis because communists go after nazis online?

              or are you saying that it radicalizes more people into avid antifacsist communists, which is an unambiguously good thing (unless youre on team nazi)

              This is a real question, please answer.

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              I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.

              You won’t push back on fascists, but you can’t shut up when pushing back against people who believe in pushing back fascism.

              cause more radicalization

              Its been pointed out multiple times now that this is literally a fascist talking point. Pushing back against fascism is not what makes people fascist. In fact its how we protect the targets of fascism on shared spaces online or off.

              As has also been pointed out to you some people just existing is seen as an incitement by fascists. What are they supposed to do? They can’t just ignore threats and the invalidation of their humanity. That you can shut your eyes to that says a lot about you.

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                They can do whatever they want.

                I don’t care what other people do, I just ignore people I don’t think are worth failing with.

                And yeah pass judgement if you want, but how I choose to deal with people on the internet is up to me.

                • AOCapitulator [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                  And yeah pass judgement if you want, but how I choose to deal with people on the internet is up to me.

                  Yeah, and you’re a bad person for choosing to act this way. Points for owning it though tbh

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                  And yet here you are failing.

                  Great to hear that the targets of fascism “can do whatever they want.” They don’t have a choice in the matter of being a target, unlike you obviously.

                  I’ve already told you this but our goal isn’t to change fascists minds. Its to drive them away, to shame them. To not allow them to spew their bullshit or attack their targets without resistance.

                  Pushing fascists out of our spaces is the only way people whose existence is targeted by fascism can actually “do whatever they want.”

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                    I have no goal here. Just sharing my opinions. Not failing to do anything.

                    Yeah being aggressive is good for driving people away. And yknow given that your goal is actually to drive people away I was wrong to say it’s immature.

                    I just don’t like aggression. I don’t go on the internet looking for fights.

    • HornyOnMain [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Regardless of handwringing about it, the fact remains that we’ve driven out and proud fascists off of lemmy instances that we’re federated with. The simple existence of hexbear pulls the Lemmy overton window so far left that social democrats are now the right wingers - this is a good thing.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      immature

      The most maturity obsessed internet people, like you, act like smug adult children while policing the maturity of others. smuglord