• boert@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    I just played this as a board game with my friends. They decided that pineapple on pizza is worse than Donald Trump. My hope in humanity is shattered.

      • meliaesc@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Aren’t we always chanting “eat the rich”? I’d be fine with the food poisoning, hell even the brain eating prions, if it means he won’t be president.

    • AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      yes, if you change the problem, you change the way we respond. that’s why there’s so many trolley problems spin offs in the first place

      • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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        3 months ago

        It understands it just fine. Agency is not a factor in the decision. The choice between action and inaction doesn’t matter. People think it matters because people are driven by shortsighted emotions.

        • drake@lemmy.sdf.org
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          3 months ago

          I think the thing that people often don’t seem to understand about the trolley problem is that it doesn’t have a “single version”, it’s a framework for exploring human decision making. And the correct answer, it’s all a matter of perspective. For example, if all of drag’s friends were on one side of the track, and on the other side of the track, were a number of people who drag does not know, equal to the number of drag’s friends plus one, would drag kill their friends, or the innocent people?

          • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Drag’s friends. Drag has at least ten friends probably, and drag’s friends are at least 10% better than the average rando. They’re mostly communists and queers. The world is better off with them in it than with some random people who are probably capitalists.

            • drake@lemmy.sdf.org
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              3 months ago

              Thank you so much for being honest about making that choice - almost everyone would choose their friends, but lots of people wouldn’t admit to that. Being honest myself, I’d make the same call - and if it came down to me picking between my friends and drag’s friends, I’d choose my friends. The whole “calculus” we run (comparing how good our friends are to average people) is a way we justify making our decisions, a way to deal with the cognitive dissonance of our values (save as many lives as possible) being in conflict with what we actually do (saving our friends rather than as many lives as possible). In reality you would have no way of knowing who those other 11 people would be - for example, if I said that one of them is a researcher on the brink of curing cancer, how would that change your decision? These are really tough questions to deal with, and that’s the point of the trolley problem - that people make different choices because they have different perspectives, and different values. There’s no objectively right and objectively wrong answer to any of the scenarios. Just different interpretations and ways to think about it.