Summary
With Donald Trump’s 2024 election win, young Gen Z voters like Kate, Holly, and Rachel are grappling with deepening divides with their Trump-supporting parents.
For many, these conflicts go beyond policy disagreements, touching on core values and morality. Parents once focused on fiscal conservatism have, in some cases, embraced conspiracy theories, creating painful rifts.
Studies suggest political divisions are increasingly seen as moral judgments, fostering a “mega-identity” where political views signify personal decency.
For these young adults, maintaining family connections amidst such ideological fractures has become challenging.
This is what we’re going through with my in laws right now.
More like:
You know we can see your comment history right? No one here is fooled by your bullshit rhetoric, please go back to reddit and don’t let the door hit you on the way out ✌️
Not just their comment history, the history of their deleted comments in the lemmy.world modlog. Here’s a sampling:
I wonder if all the people who have had hysterectomies know they are no longer women?
I guess you can change genders.
I have a different opinion than you? I vote different than you? So, I’m not allowed to have an opinion around here? Is Lemmy for “democrats and liberals” only?
Here is my entire post. Please point out where specifically I said you were not allowed to have an opinion.
Or is it maybe possible that you aren’t as persecuted as you think you are?
Dude, I’ve been attacked left and right around here for having a different opinion, you know exactly what I mean…it’s the same shit on Reddit… Politics around here is Liberal/Democrat Politics only… and if you disagree, you’re down voted and called out like crazy…
No, I don’t know exactly what you mean because I don’t see anyone saying you aren’t allowed to have an opinion.
The thing you’re not allowed to have is not an opinion, it’s an opinion free of criticism. Sorry, no one gets to have that. No one here gets to be criticism-free. Lemmy is not under the control of an authoritarian government that refuses to allow certain positions to be criticized.
And the fact that your perception of being “attacked left and right” for your opinions doesn’t make you consider why that might be and if it might be you that’s the problem does not speak highly of you.
Remind me, who tried to violently overthrow the government because they didn’t like the election results?
Was it tolerance or the peace sign?
Crazy that when someone has a different opinion, he’s a “troll.”
now plz gib internet point
What about parents dealing with their maga kids?
That’s an uncomfortable yet valid question. A significant portion of Gen Z kids were exposed to the MAGA shit through Rogan or Tate. I’m not a parent, but I’d put some serious thought into limiting their inheritance on the down low.
Limit it? they want to try lifting themselves by their own bootstraps they can. Give it to a decent charity or someone more worthy.
The idea is to deliberately give them a small amount of money so they won’t dispute the inheritance by saying they were overlooked.
Why are they still claiming “fiscal conservatism” is anything more than racism and class warfare by a different name? Why are conservatives “stronger on economy?” Of course this is causing divides about morals; a vote for the GOP is a vote for oppression and hate.
This bullshit dog-whistling by the media has to stop or we’re just letting 70+ million American voters off the hook by letting them claim “but I’m just worried about the economy.”
edit: I can’t find the source right now, but there’s a quote about this. I’m paraphrasing, but it goes something like “historians have a term they use for a person who voted for Hitler because they liked his economic policies. That term is ‘Nazi’”
Trumps “platform” was by any measure or definition less fiscally conservative than kamala. Pretty sure the reps left fiscal conservatism in the wasteland with Romney.
The new bullshit dogma for the right wing is “growth”. But I don’t think the Trump parade really even tried to explain that was the goal, or really any coherent economic policy.
Edit: the article seems to make the same point. That previously at least outwardly normal people have gone off the deep end.
You’re missing my point, at least partially. Even going back all the way to Reagan years (and certainly for Romney) “fiscal conservatism” was not actually about the economy or saving money; it was always about cutting social safety net programs that help minorities while enriching the elites (especially defense contractors and banks).
It’s a convenient piece of fiction that allows people to vote for conservatives who pass hateful legislation while claiming to be “not a racist,” but fiscal conservatism in the US is and always has been racist. If we want to see any change, we need to start forcing the media outlets and “fiscal conservatives” to say the quiet part out loud instead of getting away with claiming they are “not racist but…”
Agreed, de facto, budget cuts have been and would be racist.
Fiscal conservatism actually does mean something though. Like you could imagine a left leaning fiscally conservative government that maintained a balanced budget by raising taxes on corps and the wealthy. That would be basically fine (though I think on balance not as good as running a modest deficit to fund nice policy). If you just go, yeah no those words are henceforth no-bueno, aren’t you just buying into their doublespeak?
I’ll tell you what; when I see the term used by an elected official or GOP voter to mean something besides a dog-whistle, I’ll be on your side here.
Until then, when someone uses “fiscal conservatism” to tell me they’re voting Republican, I’m going to continue to believe that they’re ok with the rest of the GOP’s racist, homophobic, misogynistic platform, too.
When people tell you who they are, believe them. And don’t let them off the hook when they claim they’re “fiscally conservative”
Aren’t tons of young adults also MAGA now
Boomers were drawn in to MAGA to protect their wealth. Gen Z kids were attracted by the promise of lifting them out of poverty and change of the status quo on this. Fascists are really good at convincing people on all parts of the economic spectrum.
Don’t deal with them. Walk away. You’re allowed to be mad at your parents for electing a felon dictator. You’re allowed to hate them and not talk to them again. That’s their loss, and you don’t need such toxic people in your life.
So ur encouraging people to hate and never speak to the people who literally raised them over an idea? For what having an opinion you dont like? I cant possibly see why politics is so polarised nowdays.
You didn’t get to choose your parents. And there’s no reason to force anyone to continue associating with toxic shitheads with no capacity for critical thought.
If you want to change the world, you can’t escape the confrontation.
Can you explain how cutting abusive people out of your life is an act of hate?
This is the issue u are purposely neglecting the possibility that u cqn disagree about ideas without being abusive. If they are actually abusive sure cut them out of ur life sure. Disagreeing about ideas isnt abuse its the human condition.
We’re at the “round them up into camps” stage. Have you read a history book before?
A disagreement of ideas is something like “should we fund government services through the sale of bonds or require upfront funding from property taxes?”
Also, the way you are drunkenly taking this personally tells me that you have been recently ostracized by people you care about. Are you willing to share what relationships you have recently lost and how they went sour?
P.S.: Congratulations! I think you may actually be the first author of a comment to receive more than 100 downvotes on Lemmy!
There isn’t going to be camps, stop bloody stressin.
I havnt been ostracised by anyone recently, actually. I think u may be projecting a little i hope u can work through that to be more civil to those u disagree with.
Ill take the downvotes as a compliment ive always liked pushing the boundary of thought crimes.
Weird. My son is 18 and him and all his friends voted for Trump… lol. Go figure.
