Yep, this is a huge fucking problem.
Top bad the often proposed suggestion of “let’s just skip right to the end” isn’t actually a solution.
Don’t forget the material basis for these shifts! While The Discourse of “practical” truangulating centrists tends to show this rightward path, it is because (1) they were already fundamentally reactionary, they tend to just use this logic as an excuse for why they tolerate far-right positions, and (2) the right is supported by the ruling class to address some of the “problems” it creates, like a marginalized underclass that wants enough income to feed their children, housing, and safety from violence.
The shift right is not driven simply by debate or ideology, but by the arenas where degradation in material conditions due to capitalism meet the ruling class’ need to deflect blame to the marginalized (who they can reap larger profits from) to placate the less marginalized. Racism, nationalism, and extermination campaigns are created and maintained for the interests of capital, with the common people being pushed and prodded to fall in line with repeating the (usually ad hoc) new or recycled scapegoats and underclassrs. Wouldn’t want you to point blame in the right direction!
This is a bad faith meme that represents anyone making any form of compromise as a rude, close-minded, genocide supporter, posted by an account that frequently posts pro-China, sometimes pro-Russia propaganda, and hops between Western country-focused lemmy’s pending election cycles.
Just making sure the context for this post is visible.
This is a bad faith meme that represents anyone making any form of compromise as a rude
They’re not depicted as rude, they’re depicted as an know-it-all eager compromiser that ends up working for the forces of reaction because they have no real principles or red lines.
close-minded
That is generally the attitude of “centrists” and people that go out of the way to congratulate themselves on “being practical” by triamgulating. If they were open to actual principles they eould no longer be triangulating on them, and triangulating is their primary commitment.
genocide supporter
Like virtually every Democratic member of Congress and both of their presidential candidates? Anyone tolerating that is indeed complicit. It does not require any mental gymnastics to acknowledge this.
posted by an account that frequently posts pro-China
No!!! I almost passed out when I read that. You’re telling me there are good aspects of a designated enemy of empire!? Impossible.
Open-minded btw.
sometimes pro-Russia propaganda
Not another designated enemy!!! I almost died when I read this.
and hops between Western country-focused lemmy’s pending election cycles.
Is this supposed to imply something bad about them?
And here I thought statements of lemmy.ml being overrun with tankies were exaggurated. Boy your deconstruction of my post sure showed me!
Very surprising that the main instance admin’d by leftists has leftists on it.
Authoritarian manipulation is not a leftist value.
What do you mean “authoritarian manipulation?” What on Earth are you talking about?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies.
From Wikipedia.
The comment I am responding to never denied that there is an influx of tankies here. Instead you said I shouldn’t be surprised to find leftists here, inferring that leftists are tankies. Being authoritarian and manipulating information to manipulate people is not a leftist value.
You can disagree with me all you want. I’ll respect that. I would appreciate if you had better respect than to treat me like I am insane and my statements make no sense just because you disagree.
this meme is true, but in a different way than intended: it says, that you always should vote the lesser evil, since else the lesser evil will become more and more evil
Stop voting for people, FFS. Vote for policies, then hire people to implement those and nothing else.
No, the “lesser evil” won many times and still went far right.
winning isn’t just winning an election, also, do you think the dems would have gotten more right wing, if the polls said something like 60% for them?
The Dems won many elections and still moved right. And yes, the Dems would get more right wing if they could get away with it.
I think they moved right, because they couldn’t compete against trump, obama for example was a pretty good start if you ask me
Not what it says at all, but not surprised that’s how libs who have been doing this would interpret it. How’s that been working out for you by the way?
not a lib, just think that we should always vote the lesser evil, even if it isn’t good. also the time isn’t ripe for a revolution yet, and, no offense, even if it was, what have you been doing to change society?
also how has what been working out for me?
Nobody was talking about time being ripe for any revolution. The point of the meme is that voting is a very limited form of political participation that can’t solve underlying problems on its own. How has the strategy of voting for lesser evil been working out for you.
compared to voting more extreme parties not bad actually, the last time I voted the communist party it didn’t even get into parliment and I don’t think it will next time
or are we talking about voting in generall?
