Kev Quirk (@kev@fosstodon.org)
fosstodon.org
Attached: 1 image Yeah, that's gonna be a hard pass from me thanks, Rachel. Zero interest in having a conversation with #Meta "off the record" or otherwise. Sharing this purely to be as transparent as possible with our members.

The exchange is about Meta’s upcoming ActivityPub-enabled network Threads. Meta is calling for a meeting, his response is priceless!

  • TheYang@lemmy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    Nobody’s saying that, in terms of user bases, the Fediverse is comparable to Facebook or Instagram

    Well, maybe I got the wrong impression, but I felt like the userbase of the fediverse was implied as the motivation for Meta federating.
    And I wanted to put in a comparison, why I don’t think that this is the case.

    I don’t see a reason why Meta should want Threads to federate, except for “well, whatever, doesn’t hurt us to get those fractions of a percent”. They’ll probably have to use whitelists anyway, due to different legal situations on different instances. So at best they’ll federate with some of the bigger instances.

    Most of us have been on Facebook or Reddit and have given up on those bigger communities and adopted the Fediverse because it aligns with our values and privacy principles.

    I’m sorry to tell you, but your privacy isn’t exactly great here.
    Every Thread, Comment and Upvote at least can be requested from any fediverse instance.
    And do you know what, you don’t even have to be a fediverse instance yourself to do that.
    But I guess you knew that, so you’re here because nobody tracks what you look at, which is great, and because you like Open Source.
    That’s not going to Change when Meta Federates.

    Facebook does not. Its Fediverse platform will not suddenly be the opposite of what the company has been doing for more than a decade.

    That’s true.
    But it will be two things, if I may steal the analogy of someone else in this thread:
    first it will be a black hole ripping through the Fediverse.
    I’d like that to do as little damage as possible.
    I’d love it if mastodon continues to grow after Metas release, and doesn’t collapse under server costs, Spam and other detrimental effects.
    For that, preparing for the coming storm seems useful.

    second it will be a huge amount of possible connections, of people.
    I’d love to be able to toot a reply to some meta thread.
    I mean, wouldn’t it be nice if the fediverse would already know certain rules that meta may require to federate with them? And I mean sensible rules, like no/flagged porn, issues with piracy etc.
    One could also talk about how Meta allows/blocks instances. A lot of legal trouble for Meta could probably be avoided if they only show posts from a whitelist of instances, but any user could post to their instance.
    But how would they deal with non-whitelisted instances trying to pull Threads-Content?
    Maybe they want to talk about how to deal with those “half-federating” situations, because this is not the current norm, and they may not actually get more bad press when a meeting could have prevented it.

    For both of these effects I think communication with meta can only help.

    • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
      6·
      1 year ago

      If you want to use Facebook, just use Facebook. I’ve literally never seen someone carry so much water for a company that has proven time after time to be so despicable.

      I felt like the userbase of the fediverse was implied as the motivation for Meta federating.

      Today’s userbase? No. Tomorrow’s userbase? Maybe.

      This blog post covers the overall topic pretty well I think.
      https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

    • chamim@kbin.social
      5·
      1 year ago

      It seems we have different priorities and concerns, and I can respect that.

      I’m skeptical of Facebook, as I see the potential of it attempting to take over the Fediverse. As I’ve said in a different comment recently, Facebook’s business model goes against the Fediverse’s business model. And, in the long term, the Fediverse model has the potential to compete with larger for-profit corporations. And, as it has done in the past with the acquisition of Instagram and WhatsApp, Facebook is now once again trying to prevent its demise by joining the Fediverse. Again, I’m not saying that the Fediverse is an existential threat to Facebook now, but it could be in the future. As people increasingly become weary of big corporations stealing their data, Facebook has to pretend that it’s changing. That it has learned from its past mistakes. And I just don’t buy it.

      We’re here because these large corporations have failed us.

      Yes, I wasn’t implying that Google or Facebook cannot see what we’re talking, when I mentioned the privacy concerns. I was referring to this data not being used to profile us for targeted ads.

      first it will be a black hole ripping through the Fediverse.

      Not if most instances choose not to federate with Facebook. People who want to be on a federated instance can sign up to that instance. The option to not federate is a build-in feature of the Fediverse, and I hope kbin.social takes advantage of that. If not, I’ll see myself out and look for an instance that does.

      Here’s an article that helped me understand this issue better: https://ianbetteridge.com/2023/06/21/meta-and-mastodon-whats-really-on-peoples-minds/.