Olympic gold medalist argues in video that podcaster’s remarks about war in Ukraine is result of Putin-led plot

Summary

Former Ukrainian boxing champion Wladimir Klitschko accused podcaster Joe Rogan of “repeating Russian propaganda” after Rogan criticized U.S. military aid to Ukraine and suggested it could escalate into World War III.

Klitschko defended Ukraine’s resistance against Russia, highlighting the country’s fight for freedom and condemning Rogan’s remarks as aiding Putin’s agenda.

He invited Rogan to discuss their differences on the podcast “like free men.”

Rogan, who recently endorsed Donald Trump, called the war a “proxy war” and criticized Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to strike Russian soil with U.S.-supplied missiles.

    • Adm_Drummer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 days ago

      From the article you provided:

      • "In a statement, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said that, as a country that suffered greatly under German occupation, “We emphasize that Ukraine categorically condemns any manifestations of Nazism.”

      • “…Questions over how to interpret such symbols are as divisive as they are persistent, and not just in Ukraine…”

      • “The Anti-Defamation League considers the Totenkopf “a common hate symbol.” But Jake Hyman, a spokesman for the group, said it was impossible to “make an inference about the wearer or the Ukrainian Army” based on the patch.” “The image, while offensive, is that of a musical band,” Mr. Hyman said."

      *Ihor Kozlovskyi, a Ukrainian historian and religious scholar, said that the symbols had meanings that were unique to Ukraine and should be interpreted by how Ukrainians viewed them, not by how they had been used elsewhere. “The symbol can live in any community or any history independently of how it is used in other parts of Earth,” Mr. Kozlovskyi said.

      See: Swastika in SEA.

      • Russian soldiers in Ukraine have also been seen wearing Nazi-style patches, underscoring how complicated interpreting these symbols can be in a region steeped in Soviet and German history. The Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in 1939, so it was caught by surprise two years later when the Nazis invaded Ukraine, which was then part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine had suffered greatly under a Soviet government that engineered a famine that killed millions. Many Ukrainians initially viewed the Nazis as liberators.

      I can keep going from this article alone. Did you read the whole thing?

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, the article is Nazi apologia. The point is it’s ubiquitous enough that even the pro-NATO folks keep having to address it. Whereas you’re downplaying its existence.

        And the Ukrainian government spending millions erecting monuments for famous Nazis? What’s the apologist spin on that?

        • Adm_Drummer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          3 days ago

          LOL

          In your previous comment you used the article as proof that Ukraine was a Nazi state because The NYTimes was a credible third party observer I should rely on.

          The second this is pointed out, they’re no longer reliable and are infact apologists? Why use the article as evidence anyway?

          And the Ukrainian government spending millions erecting monuments for famous Nazis? What’s the apologist spin on that?

          How much was spent on Mt Rushmore? Confederate statues? War Monuments? Statues of John A. Macdonald? Napoleon? Churchill, Stalin, Lenin, Sadam, Mao, Hirohito, Eisenhower, Sherman?

          There’s no apologism that exists for them. The true answer, is that at the time of their installation, these people were considered heroes and their bad deeds were overlooked due to circumstance. As I said earlier; as time goes on and peace prospers our eyes open to the broader world. Right now, Ukraine’s heroes are “dirty” heroes to us. Because we aren’t suffering the way they are. Due to circumstance the heroes they have are the only heroes Ukraine can rely on because even the right to have scholars as heroes has been taken from them by Russia.

          Can you name me a nation builder with a clean record?

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            3 days ago

            No, that was just your misinterpretation.

            We’re not talking about old monuments. We’re talking about new ones they are continuing to erect.

            • Adm_Drummer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              No, that was just your misinterpretation.

              Quoting you:

              You should let the New York Times know their direct observations are “Kremlin talking points.”

              Are you now saying that Nazi apologism is a Kremlin talking point or not? Because earlier you said the article would prove Ukraine is Nazi but now the article is apologism. Which is it?

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                3 days ago

                No, you claimed acknowledging the existence of widespread Naziism in Ukraine to be a Kremlin talking point. Presumably, that extends the western defense of it.

                What about the US Congress lifting the ban on arming Nazis in order to arm Ukraine. Were they also engaging in Kremlin propaganda?

                • Adm_Drummer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  3 days ago

                  Because there is no widespread Nazism in Ukraine. I asked you to prove it, you provided the article as proof but the article refuted your point. You then said it was apologist. So which is it? Irrefutable evidence supporting the kremlin’s position or Apologism?

                  What about the US Congress lifting the ban on arming Nazis in order to arm Ukraine. Were they also engaging in Kremlin propaganda?

                  Hmm let me wrack my brain here. You’ll have to point me to the specific wording. The US congress literally said “Nazis can use our weapons”? Or is Nazi a label that Russia has attributed to certain fighters and you’re now repeating?