Congrats to India! Glad to see more space programs succeed.
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“Let’s stop all progress until we deal with insert_your_problem_of_choice” has never been a good take, it stifles development without actually helping. In an ideal world that might work, but as is it just doesn’t.
To add to that, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I doubt that starving children in India is actually a mere money problem. It looks more like a wealth distribution problem, and that one doesn’t get fixed by stopping space programs.
You basically said what I was going to, but the ideal world part I disagree with.
A world in which enough is grown to feed everyone and enough profit is produced to meet everyone’s needs doesn’t need to be ideal. It’s a world we live in now.
The above dude should just stick to attacking the ultra wealthy and like you said, not space programs.
But like I was saying, an ideal world isn’t needed. Just about 30% of the rest of us to physically and verbally confront the few thousand or so who take too much.
Ok, ideal is probably the wrong word here. What I meant is a world where narrowly focused efforts are actually fast and effective, it might be a good idea to heavily prioritise some stuff to deal with pressing misery-inducing issues faster. But as we currently are, that concept just isn’t rooted in reality.
I see what you’re saying, and please don’t think I was attacking you, rather adding to your point.
I think a world you described is one where that 30% I mentioned were way more engaged politically globally.
As it not being rooted in reality that’s the ceiling I want to break. 1 million people in a country making direct, unified actions, unified by class could achieve many of those fast and effective efforts.
I feel you though, I feel that we are moving at a fraction of the speed we ought to be and could be going towards progress and it’s almost maddening not seemingly being able to do anything except know how fucked it all is.
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In that case you should formulate your thoughts more clearly. Right now it reads as exactly that — “stop wasting money on progressing in this field because look at this_problem”. So, what did you actually mean by your comment then?
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Also, I think that the wealth disparity should decrease as much as possible, and the fact that that’s what you got from my comments is just weird.
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Ok, so googling it now, it seems like Indian space program has a budget of about $1,5 mln (holy shit they launched using that? I’m doubly impressed). I’m pretty sure that’s just the cost of some couch in the Antilia building.
So I still fail to see your point. This is nothing compared to country’s budget, not even a rounding error.
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“Let’s stop all progress until we deal with insert_your_problem_of_choice” has never been a good take
I mean, sure, most of the time.
But when one is “a shit ton of kids is starving” and the other is “vanity moon mission we don’t gain knowledge from”…
Yeah, maybe address the starving kids first.
but I doubt that starving children in India is actually a mere money problem. It looks more like a wealth distribution problem, and that one doesn’t get fixed by stopping space programs.
India flat out said the reason for this program is for PR…
It’s not science, it’s not innovation, or the pursuit of knowledge.
The reason they’ve spent decades and billions on this, is to try and seem like India is a 1st world country.
That could also be accomplished by not having one of the world’s highest rates of childhood starvation and malnourishment.
Instead they ignore that for “flashier” methods.
India flat out said the reason for this program is for PR…
It’s not science, it’s not innovation, or the pursuit of knowledge.
What’s your source on this?
You know what I think the root cause of any money problem in India is? Corruption. It’s corrupt from the very top. It’s not exactly easy to fix it with a population that large either. It’s a mess and that’s why it’s a third world country.
Edit: That’s one of the reasons it’s a third world country. I’m just highlighting what I find wrong.
I’m glad people like you don’t run space programs
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Where do you get this idea that space technology is making people very wealthy? Space agencies are government funded. I would have thought that simply looking at the technology advances from the 60s space race would show that it’s quite possibly the fastest way to develop new technologies that will improve the world. Defunding scientific research doesn’t help the poor, it stifles progress.
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Much of the money goes to scientists, engineers, researchers. The best. Technologies developed with that money are used for a variety of purposes. Because space travel is so difficult and complex, the technologies created for it are very advanced and contribute greatly to scientific efforts. I recall seeing a study (unfortunately I can’t remember which so as to link) which found that $1 invested in NASA contributed $7 worth to the economy. Yes, you’re absolutely right that we shouldn’t let the rich continue to get richer as they have done for so long. But stopping the most important research in the world to do so is inadvisable.
ISROʼs last lunar exploration mission was in 2019 and called Chandrayaan-2. The lunar orbiter succeeded. The lunar lander, named Vikram, failed, crashing onto the lunar surface. Vikram contained a lunar rover named Pragyan.
Here is Scott Manleyʼs review of the Vikram failure.
Here is a New York Times gift article link about today’s (2023-07-14) launch.
Here are animations of the planned orbits (Videos (1,2) by Phoenix777 / 🅭🅯🄎 4.0):
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Back in Reddit, you couldn’t have a single post about India’s space works without the mods locking the threads. I had hoped those fuckers would stay there.
Fuckers are here now.
I’ll believe it when it doesn’t crash and burn like the last one.
India has a long history of making huge claims, failing, and then claiming that was the goal.
I’ll believe it when it doesn’t crash and burn like the last one.
Check back here on 2023-08-23, then.
Wait, really? Can you think of any examples off the top of your head? I read elsewhere on this thread they had a previous attempt at this mission which crashed and burned (Vikram and Pragyan)
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We have successfully transformed Lemmy into Reddit I see.
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Maybe if they’re really lucky, they’ll find someone that cares about pathetically dull opinions like the one you just (tried to) expressed.
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