This. It’s a good distro to base something else on (like SteamOS), and therefore good to learn how distros work without the need to even now how software as a whole works (that would be Gentoo).
It’s however horribly unstable, finicky and time-consuming as a daily driver as all the tiny adjustments and pre-configuration other distros make are missing by design.
Different person, not in my experience. My Arch install caused me grief repeatedly. I had less issues when I was on EndeavourOS, so maybe I’m the problem. Still the verdict is the same.
EndeavourOS has such great Arch defaults! Ive been daily driving it for 2 years now, and it still just works. (There were small regressions in plasma maybe like twice, both of which fixed itself upon next update)
Arch was my first choice precisely because of the learning curve. As soon as nothing works with the other distros the user is completely overwhelmed because just like on Windows he is kept stupid and away from bash etc…
No, with every other “used” friendly distro I had such massive problems… and their wikis and other help end at the arch wiki anyway.
Edit: Btw I don’t want to talk down the other distributions in any way. It’s just my personal opinion.
Especially since Arch Linux is not out for stability because of the rolling release, users naturally save themselves the trouble with distributions that are primarily out for stability.
Has any of that happened on the average Arch in the past years? The only thing I have seen is an email once or twice a year asking to run a manual operation to fix a package migration.
All the time and I’d also add issues caused by bugs introduced with updates. Using Gnome you have your addons break with every new version and don’t get me started on Plasma 6. What a horrendous piece of crap. I still low key hate Plasma 6 even today.
I like both Arch and Manjaro, I like the ability to pick the right tool for the job. I can tweak and better understand my system with Arch, I can be trouble-free and productive with Manjaro.
So Arch is a terrible distro
YES
but also resoundingly NO. arch’s purpose is what it is, its an awesome modular tinker system where you have to do some manual intevention sometimes.
if you want a plug n play system (like me nowadays) you dont need to bother with ever, get stuff like mint ubuntu pop…
This. It’s a good distro to base something else on (like SteamOS), and therefore good to learn how distros work without the need to even now how software as a whole works (that would be Gentoo).
It’s however horribly unstable, finicky and time-consuming as a daily driver as all the tiny adjustments and pre-configuration other distros make are missing by design.
It’s good if you want to become the soldier.
I think that’s unfair. Despite the meme once you get it going it’s pretty stable.
At first. But then once you’re setup you can coast on years of just doing updates on my experience.
I’m not suggesting anyone who isn’t excited to pick and configure all the packages on your system try it, to be clear.
It is unstable in the actual sense becahse its rolling release. However its usually pretty reliable.
Running arch for years now. If you keep it up to date and don’t lean on the aur too much its very stable.
Different person, not in my experience. My Arch install caused me grief repeatedly. I had less issues when I was on EndeavourOS, so maybe I’m the problem. Still the verdict is the same.
EndeavourOS has such great Arch defaults! Ive been daily driving it for 2 years now, and it still just works. (There were small regressions in plasma maybe like twice, both of which fixed itself upon next update)
Arch was my first choice precisely because of the learning curve. As soon as nothing works with the other distros the user is completely overwhelmed because just like on Windows he is kept stupid and away from bash etc…
No, with every other “used” friendly distro I had such massive problems… and their wikis and other help end at the arch wiki anyway.
Edit: Btw I don’t want to talk down the other distributions in any way. It’s just my personal opinion. Especially since Arch Linux is not out for stability because of the rolling release, users naturally save themselves the trouble with distributions that are primarily out for stability.
Has any of that happened on the average Arch in the past years? The only thing I have seen is an email once or twice a year asking to run a manual operation to fix a package migration.
Grub entry missing and Nvidia driver installation not going smoothly did happen to me, though the former is somewhat independent of the distro.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/grub-hook
Yes.
All the time and I’d also add issues caused by bugs introduced with updates. Using Gnome you have your addons break with every new version and don’t get me started on Plasma 6. What a horrendous piece of crap. I still low key hate Plasma 6 even today.
I just say glibc
Ironically enough ive had less nvidia drivers breaking on arch than on any other distro
always has been
I mean, I’m a relative gnu / linux noob, but so far Endeavour has been awesome.
It might be trash, but it’s our trash.
But seriously, sometimes it does get a bit annoying. Hunting for optional dependencies and missing libraries and whatnot…
I like both Arch and Manjaro, I like the ability to pick the right tool for the job. I can tweak and better understand my system with Arch, I can be trouble-free and productive with Manjaro.