Three out of four Americans — including 60% of Republicans — say the Trump administration’s use of a Signal group chat to discuss military strikes is a serious problem, according to the first poll out on the national security breach.
For now.
They used to think January 6 was bad too.
When George Floyd was murdered, they spent fifteen minutes thinking it was bad, until action was requested. Then he suddenly deserved it and always deserved it.
“Of course it’s bad. We want bad.”
When it’s not working, it’s working.
Is it serious enough to take actual, decisive action to hold anyone in the Trump administration accountable?
“Oh, no no no. Now let’s not get too crazy here. All we want to do is hold hearings so we can decide how to blame Signal for all of this and maybe get a couple of unrelated brown people deported. Nobody’s talking crazy talk like holding Trump accountable or anything.”
“After a comprehensive investigation, we have decided that justice would be best served by executing the reporter for doing his job. Problem solved. Send money. Or else.”
Yep.
Doesn’t matter though.
In their minds not voting “R” is the worst possible thing that could happen in existence. Trump could individually rape and murder all their children and they’d still show up and vote “R” because the alternative is somehow worse. They can’t explain how it’s worse, but it is, somehow.
Conservatives can express discontent, or even outrage, toward their representatives, but they have ZERO interest in holding their own accountable.
Because it’s a cult.
HitlerPig might rape and murder their children, but they think the Dems would rape and murder their children, and then eat them. So Republicans are better.
Or maybe, y’know, don’t elect rapists/murderous/cannibals of any kind.
I knew it was bad when the general consensus on the sycophantic subreddit r/conservative also held the opinion that these people should be held accountable. How terrible do you have to be to piss off your own loyalists? This timeline does not even feel real sometimes
The conservatives themselves lag behind on real news. It takes a few days for their leaders to unite around their own narrative and to change the cycle. Just wait, the peons will start agreeing that it’s fake news shortly. Just like Russian interference and the perfect Ukraine call.
It was a perfect phone call!
I never understood how they didn’t balk at that statement. It’s utter drivel.
Same as the one he had with the GA elections head guy, asking due another 10k or so votes. ‘Perfect calls’.
The interesting thing is that the immediate conservative response is the truth! They admit it before their fearless leaders lie and redirect. Russia WAS the enemy. We WERE at war with Eurasia.
“And you can’t let it happen, and you are letting it happen,” Trump said. “You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So, look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”
It was a VERY specific number. Oddly exact. So precise he absolutely could not have been asking for an honest double check of the results.
Here is what he means when he says it was a “Perfect Call”:
His political mentor, and all around legendary shithead and mobster lawyer Roy Cohn (also Roger Stone’s mentor), taught HitlerPig to use weasely language to be able to claim innocence and/or plausible deniablility. It’s what Michael Cohen referred to as “The Code:”
“He doesn’t give you questions, he doesn’t give you orders,” Cohen said. “He speaks in a code, and I understand the code because I’ve been around him for a decade.”
One part of it is to speak of himself in the third person, using the “Royal We.” On his infamous “Perfect Phone Call” with Zelensky, he told Z that aid was coming, but first, he wanted Z to “do US a favor,” and went on to demand that Ukraine launch a phony investigation against the Bidens before releasing the aid.
By using “Us” instead “Me,” he believed that he couldn’t be accused of a personal quid pro quo, and could argue that he was making a request on behalf of the American people, and not just himself, even though the demand only helps himself, and not America in any way.
That’s why he was so frustrated when nobody would pay attention to his choice of pronouns, constantly screeching about his “PERFECT phone call.” It was perfect because he thought it contained a undeniable loophole that would definitely hold up in court, and have the judge say “Ooh, you brilliant scamp, you skated free again with your incredible command of the English language. You got me, hats off to you, sir! CASE DISMISSED! (can I get a picture with you?)”
He was frustrated because it isn’t the 50s/60s, when judges were happy to help out any rich white guy. All they needed was the tiniest shred of an excuse, and using different pronouns was good enough. Today, judges aren’t going to accept such obvious machinations as a defense, and that pissed off HitlerPig, who was counting on his Rich/White privilege to get his case dismissed.
Even his allies didn’t try to defend him on that point, because everybody saw how ignorant that defense is, and nobody wanted to be the guy to say “He said Us, not We, so he’s off the hook,” because they knew they’d get excoriated in the media for saying something that stupid.
I can’t think of any examples right now, but after having that revelation, I’ve seen him refer to other situations as “perfect,” and they all include some variation on that same strategy of being vague enough that he THINKS he can claim plausible deniability. Pay attention, and you’ll learn to spot his “Mobster Language.”
Edit: NJSpradlin reminded me of his “Perfect Phone Call” with the Georgia election officials. Same deal.
That’s just the initial knee jerk reaction (based on their actual personal beliefs) before the Conservative Propaganda Machine tells them what to believe.
Eh.
They can SAY it’s unacceptable and someone should be held accountable.
But they won’t hold anyone with an “R” next to their name accountable at the polls. Or in any other significant way.
-gate is the suffix for scandals.
-a-Lago is the suffix for stupid scandals.
This one should be called Sig-na-Lago.
They won’t do anything about it so why even listen to them?
Gotta keep the liberal echo chamber at full blast.
Group membership matters to all of us. It’s like one of the primary drivers of belief. We might think we’re rational and cool logical people but that’s a lie. We trust people we see as being in-group, and we trust facts from them.
For some people, like many republicans, it’s also the only thing that really matters.
This may have been a viable strategy in like 3000BCE when you had to stick with your group of idiots, because otherwise you’d be left for dead or worse by the enemy tribe. It’s not really a solid strategy in 2025CE.
But that’s really the whole problem. People (often but not always republicans) put their group membership ahead of everything else. This is happening like deep in the emotional part of their psyche. There’s no easy fix. You’d probably have to get them to join some other group and see that as primary, like maybe appeal to their sense of being American, but it’s going to be hard when there’s a lot of them. It’s like gravity, they all pull each other into the group.
I don’t know how to fix this.
Cult deprogramming
