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- technology@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- technology@lemmy.world
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If you don’t want to use Signal, use a forked version of it - Session (doesn’t require a phone number, only has a code number as id) or SimpleX Chat (not even a code number, completely private)
How does simplex users then connect with each other?
One-time QR code that you “either exchange in person or via video call”. I’m not sure how the latter works. The video shows it’s exchanges in-app but how do I even get in contact? It can only be exchanged via some other channel like email which defeats the whole purpose…
I guess you should know who you want to talk to, then have some other medium of contacting them, and then when you decide to move your conversations into a secure medium you meet or video call and pass the simplex key? That sounds about right. I suppose with the levels of privacy it espouses, there really can’t be a form of “online communities” because people wouldn’t want to reveal anything about them without already knowing the person they are revealing details to, and vice versa.
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The fact that signal uses phone numbers as it’s primary identifier seriously undermines their privacy claims. AIM with both parties using OMEMO was more private and secure
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It blows my mind that people still do not understand this.
Could you explain the difference? Is WhatsApp a good privacy I’m? And if not what exactly makes it bad?
If you are required to give them information that they can use to figure out who you are, it’s not anonymous.
So if you are on normal post-paid cell phones, where you have given them your real info, or use a credit to pay for it with your name on it, etc. that means you aren’t anonymous.
So when super secret drug lord is caught, they can figure you were talking to this drug lord and charge you, because they have his end of the communications and can verify with your cell provider who YOU are.
Privacy just means they don’t know what you are saying. They may know you are communicating with drug lord but not what you are saying.
You can have neither, one or the other, or both
I think signal is a good inbetween because its privacy focus, even though it uses phone numbers. Which as you said and i agree with it makes it less anonimus however picking apart that it uses phone numbers. you could also dig deeper and say that using any app on a device not made by you could have spyware in the OS or in the lower level permissions (bios, firmware) aswell as what if a government agency made a honeypot server that uses the protocol for simplex as example such as arcane OS and how it was sold as the most secure phone which ended up being a honeypot. so i think its fair to say its secure enough for normies who want more privacy focused but not be mr.robot levels, which signal claims to be private which it is minus the use of phone numbers. but realistically if in the examples given, if you where to message a Bad actor and said bad actor was arrested and they used signal to message you. all they can get is that they messaged you which wouldn’t really hold up in court because although you where in contact with said person doesnt mean you where doing something illegal and if you dont incriminate your self (such as pleading the 5th) they really cant do a whole lot to charge you with something. which for those who know signal ownly knows the time and date of messages sent and online time as described in this artical https://www.dailydot.com/debug/signal-subpoena-privacy-gag-order/
So, signal is as private as WhatsApp and as matrix (according to some people it keeps rooms you join and many other metadata unencrypted)?
If you are required to give them information that they can use to figure out who you are, it’s not anonymous.
So if you are on normal post-paid cell phones, where you have given them your real info, or use a credit to pay for it with your name on it, etc. that means you aren’t anonymous.
So when super secret drug lord is caught, they can figure you were talking to this drug lord and charge you, because they have his end of the communications and can verify with your cell provider who YOU are.
Privacy just means they don’t know what you are saying. They may know you are communicating with drug lord but not what you are saying.
You can have neither, one or the other, or both
The person who responded to you explained it perfectly!
That’s why I use matrix. No phone number.
@chickenwing @Paradox The XMPP reinvention? Why not use the original?
I think signal is a good inbetween because its privacy focus, even though it uses phone numbers. Which as you said and i agree with it makes it less anonimus however picking apart that it uses phone numbers. you could also dig deeper and say that using any app on a device not made by you could have spyware in the OS or in the lower level permissions (bios, firmware) aswell as what if a government agency made a honeypot server that uses the protocol for simplex as example such as arcane OS and how it was sold as the most secure phone which ended up being a honeypot. so i think its fair to say its secure enough for normies who want more privacy focused but not be mr.robot levels, which signal claims to be private which it is minus the use of phone numbers. but realistically if in the examples given, if you where to message a Bad actor and said bad actor was arrested and they used signal to message you. all they can get is that they messaged you which wouldn’t really hold up in court because although you where in contact with said person doesnt mean you where doing something illegal and if you dont incriminate your self (such as pleading the 5th) they really cant do a whole lot to charge you with something. which for those who know signal ownly knows the time and date of messages sent and online time as described in this artical https://www.dailydot.com/debug/signal-subpoena-privacy-gag-order/
