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  • Let it be noted that this is an opinion article.

    Editorials and Opinion pieces do contribute to social discourse regarding news, and may be correct, but unlike their normal news, they can say whatever they want about the news from the authors they hire.

    Opinion pieces allow news sources to use sensationalist and inflammatory articles to drive engagement without harming their credibility, because of that giant OPINION label.

    NYT and WSJ’s editorials and opinion pieces tend to be quite left and quite right leaning respectfully, to an almost satirical level. In my opinion, the WSJ’s comment section under its editorials are much worse.

    I’m not disparaging the article in any way, just saying for those that may not already know.


  • Al Jazeera had been live streaming and live reporting the entire thing, and there are multiple angles and phone videos from them and other sources that show the entire incident, from the rocket barrage, to the booster failure, to the hospital explosion.

    The Associated Press has the complete analysis to your question, including the videos I mentioned, posted yesterday.

    Alot of the videos in there were confirmed 8 hours after the incident, this is the first mainstream media outlet that put it all together.

    The AP was one of the first to report what the Gaza Health Ministry said, “Israel strikes hospital, killing 500”, then edited their article 3 times in 1 hour, with new titles and recharacterizing the report as “they said” to try and cover the increasing uncertainty of the situation. Along with the casualty number dropping. Now some might say “But any death at all is bad, 50 or 500!”. That’s true, it’s still really tragic, but it’s also a 90% error, which is a disaster for journalism.

    The article covers the JDAM theories, the Israel warned them, the Hamas announcing their launching rockets a little after the incident. All things that would make the situation more murky.

    I admit I do sound like I’m defending Israel with this. This particular event is a flashpoint for me personally since I’m heavily invested in the state of journalism in an age where the flood of information can overwhelm news and lead to innaccuracies.

    The rocket turning around video is a different video from last year.

    Unfortunately I got banned from World News on lemmy.ml because posting this was “War Crime Denial” apparently.







  • Okay I’ll answer you. It’s wrong for Israel to cut power to civilians. It’s right for Israel to cut power to military targets.

    If military targets embed their infrastructure with civilian infrastructure. Oopsies. Civilians are now military targets.

    Palestinians MAYBE shouldn’t have Hamas in power if they’re going to power their military operations with civilian power. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

    Every world power knows that, that’s why most have pretty much gotten behind Israel, regardless of any apartheid Israel has done.

    The US did the same thing when 9/11 happened. The US did the same thing in Operation Desert Storm along with other NATO countries who joined the US in operations in the middle east.

    Nobody in the west complained then, and nobody’s complaining now, because Hamas did the dumb dumb.


  • I’m not justifying anything that Israel has done in the past. The main point of my comment is that Hamas made a really poor decision here on behalf of the Palestinians. There is absolutely no doubt.

    There is no moralizing or whataboutism.

    The fact of the matter is that this caused a divided Israel to unite in anger. And support for Palestine has been cut by all European nations and Australia. Palestinian sympathizers and charity leaders have been among the victims.

    The question you should be asking is if you support the Palestinian people is…

    What the actual hell is this bonehead decision-making by Hamas? There is no scenario of success in this endeavor unless the Western world decided to withdraw all support from Israel and give it to Hamas.

    Was that going to happen? No. Hamas never tried to establish good diplomatic relations with anyone.

    The world stage is a democratic club, and Hamas rejected it all. Hamas burned every single bridge with other countries no matter how many citizens of those governments complain.




  • Let’s not forget that the act of using civilians as shields is a warcrime in the first place to prevent this kind of situation from occurring.

    If Israel tells Palestinian civilians to evacuate because there’s Hamas military targets in that building, and Hamas troops tell them no. Then they die, and Hamas can cry wolf.

    It would be Israel who is following international decorem and Hamas making it difficult for any country to support them.

    Just now, Austria cut off aid to the Gaza region. Is that Israel’s fault? Nope.

    Hamas had good PR going and they fucked it up by escalating with brutality.


  • Morally, it’s a complicated situation.

    Geopolitically, Israel probably has the support of most Western nations simply due to the fact that they engage in diplomacy and have proper decorem, with a government system that is a relatively modern system despite political leanings.

    Additionally, Israel has a better human rights record DOMESTICALLY than Palestine and the Gaza region. It’s still dominated by religion, terrorist leaders, and its own population’s semi-justified bitterness. Freedom of expression and freedom of press is heavily restricted, just like any other Islamic religious state in the middle east.

    The sole responsibility of the escalation and subsequent destabilization of the region lies with Hamas. The sole responsibility of the withdrawal of Palestinian aid from countries like Austria, lies with Hamas.

    And with all the videos popping up over the treatment and killing of Israeli civilians, it’s hard for the Western world, and especially Western governments to garner the sympathy for the Palestinian people that they had 1 week ago.

    Both sidesing isn’t correct, whataboutism isn’t correct, blindly supporting either side isn’t correct, supporting efforts to contain the conflict is correct. The best way to do that is to monitor Israel’s progress in containing Hamas.

    We know that Hamas hides in schools and civilian buildings, using their own civilians as a shield. That’s a warcrime it itself. So it’s going to be messy as hell.

    The US sent the USS Gerald Ford into the Mediterranean as a deterrent. If any country starts to try to 3rd party the conflict, oh shit oh fuck WW1 vibes. That’s how tender this situation is.

    And with 1 other active conflict in the world, this is shaky ground.


  • Ah, exactly as predicted. The conflicts in Ukraine and Israel creating a nuanced situation that forces Republicans and Democrats into a dialogue and self examination.

    Many Democrats have been critical of Israel in the past, many Republicans have shown skepticism of sending aid to Ukraine.

    Now the Republicans entire base is gonna be like “support Israel, grrr”. Kekw

    It’s going to be pretty difficult to remain a supporter of the Palestine government ever since they obliterated all their good PR. Inb4 GOP calls Ocasio-Cortez a traitor for the 1000th time kekw. You’d have to be gulping some Swiss-style both-sidesing koolaid tbh. I wouldn’t blame you, the Swiss are based.

    Mild internal divisions in both parties, yet both coming to the conclusion to send aid.

    Ah, it’s so ironic, global affairs and politics are just as silly as Stellaris politics.

    Personally, I’m going to learn Hebrew and Ukrainian downs a shot of bourbon



  • Reducing it to a binary is the incorrect analogy.

    The needle of responsibility in this conflict definitely leans toward Hamas.

    Every Palestinian civilian death, every displacement, every house bombed, every western country, like Austria, who withdrew support, the imminent reoccupation of the region, it’s all on Hamas.

    They really really hung themselves on the world stage with this one, they had some excellent PR going too.


  • I mean Hamas had some really good PR going but they really, really fucked up this time.

    Many countries now withdrawing aid, most are reluctantly supporting Israel because most countries despite being just as guilty as Israel, know that Israel is the West’s proxy in the middle east.

    The blood of both Palestinian civilians and Israeli civilians, and the imminent occupation of the region is going to be on their hands.

    I don’t know what they’re smoking.


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    Well to be quite fair, it’s better to judge a country by it’s progress and current state of affairs than by its past actions. Because if we judged every country by their actions in the past, not many countries would have clean hands.

    From 2016-2021, I was ready to move away. I was quite disillusioned by everything. What changed? Soccer 💀. Soccer made me comically nationalist for our national teams.

    Honestly being in that environment of being able to be innocently prideful of my home without thinking about the past helped put things in perspective.

    I’m now prideful to be American, and proud that my home heavily invests in NATO. I’m an adult now, and I’ve been working to push for some more improvements in things like infrastructure. I don’t cringe at 4th of July celebrations anymore, and I feel great that I’m making an impact.

    You probably won’t see me putting a flag outside my home, but I have a lovely high quality flag.

    Our national park system is the best in the world, our ecosystem, nature, and geography are spectacular and diverse. And NASA is phenomenal.

    Don’t allow yourself to wallow in this cynical disillusionment. It’s not good for your mental health to focus on the terrible parts of America without having the ability to change those parts.