Here’s the link to the total Results of the primary election. If Bernie had more Votes he would have won. The facts are that not enough people got out to vote for him. He didn’t have anything stolen from him.

I was and I voted in the primaries in 2016. But not enough people voted for Bernie for him to win the nomination. He had over 3 and a half million fewer votes than Hilary. And only if all but 9 of the super delegates had went to him he would have gotten the nomination. Which others would have called undemocratic as he didn’t win the most votes.

How is getting the left out to vote in primaries to remake the democratic party doing the same thing? Right now they don’t get out and vote in primaries in enough numbers to change anything. Having them get out and vote in primaries en masse WOULD be doing something new.

Edit: you are abolustely right about the propaganda machine. It’s why I think there’s only two options, finding a way to remake the democratic party, or the country splits.

Their response was to drift right because those voters consistently vote. If the left consistently voted they would be represented in Congress.

And yes I think we can remake it. I think it’s our only chance. If the party switch could happen in the 60s, if the Republicans could accelerate into Trumpism in 6 years, then yes we can remake the Democratic party. We. Just. Have. To. Vote. And organize and such.

45 members out of 7500 is .006%. While that is a tiny amount of success, increasing that to a majority will take decades. The “third parties” in Congress are Independents which is not a formed party like Greens or the PLS like I was talking about. No actual third party has been elected to congress since 1937, according to your very link you provided. Of course I’m not counting Lieberman because his “Third party” was the Connecticut for Lieberman which was literally just for him.

So does that mean overthrowing the government? Does it mean starting a Civil War to establish a new Union? Would it mean the country splitting off into their own grouped together countries? What would a Second American Revolution look like? Because we have an idea of how you can remake the Democratic party. A second American Revolution in modern day needs an image of what it should look like if it is going to work.

For what it’s worth, I personally think you either remake the Democratic party, or the country will split.

While I get that, building the infrastructure of a new third party, or increasing an existing third parties infrastructure to the right size, is next to impossible unless you convince every single Democrat voter to move to the next one. That’s just not gonna happen. Statistically speaking, third parties will never win. And if you work on building that infrastructure, that will just guarantee Republicans winning until you convince enough people to abandon the Democrats which could take decades.

So then what’s the logical next step if those people want to be represented in government? You remake the Democratic party. The Republicans were remade post tea party in 6 years into the Trump party. The Democrats could be remade into an actually consistent and willing to fight far more effectively progressive party in 4 if we just work towards it and vote in the primaries in all elections over the next 4 years. It’s far more possible and a far quicker possibility. As long as we have elections going forward, that is, Trump could just cancel them.

By voting in the primaries. The RNC didn’t want Trump, they didn’t want all the shit that happened originally. It happened because people voted to put specific Republicans in office during primaries and in the general who helped change their party into the Trump machine it is today.

We can do the same. You reform by actually voting in primaries.

The Tea Party movement was a hostile takeover of the Republican party be the far right that didn’t complete until Trump in 2016. They literally had a guy who created a pledge for Republicans to sign that said they’d never vote for new taxes.

Progressives and other democrats that are further left NEED a Tea Party moment. The base is done being taken advantage of and we need to reshape the party and do a country wide approach. And progressives and others on the left need to actually get out to vote in the primaries in 2026 to be able to do this. Kick out the old guard, they’ve repeatedly failed. We can do so much better

And for those that say go for a third party, it is far easier to remake the Democratic party, an existing party with an existing infrastructure, than it is to convince people to vote for a third party that is either new or has existed for a while and never been successful. The green party, the PLS, are distractions. Put that effort into changing the democratic party.

Always remember that the only time in American history the left had significant power was under FDR because we were consistent voters for the Democrats and voted for New Deal Democrats instead of the old guard. If we want to be taken seriously, pull a Tea party.

/Rant over

Yes and that was shit and they should have figured out a way to do some kind of primary. But that doesn’t mean there won’t be a real primary in 2028 or that there won’t be congressional primaries in 2026, which the congressional ones was what I was talking about. The only thing that would guarantee not having primaries is an official Dictatorship being created and the dissolution of congress and Trump being declared King or saying there will be no more elections.

Last year they didn’t really have presidential primaries because of an Incumbent, something both parties do all the time. But there were still Congressional primaries. And local primaries. Saying they’ll get rid of primaries when there was a reason to not have a presidential one, even if you disagree with that reason, is very much misunderstanding how primaries work.

Any of the ones who are upset about Progressives pushing them to act like an opposition party needs to be primaried and kicked out, if they can’t be convinced. We need more primary challengers to actually change the party, like the republicans have and continue to do.

This is fucking hilarious. For months post Trump getting shot at, Alex Jones was saying that Trump was gonna have his plane shot down by a missile. He claimed that he had a dream about it that was actually a vision from God and that he hoped the Trump team was listening so they could prepare. To find out there was an actual worry is pretty fucking funny. Alex probably knew there was a worry, because he’s an insider for Trump, and decided to do his characteristic prediction saying it was from God so that if it happened, he proves he has prophetic powers even more than he says he already does.

Just so ya know, @Breadsmasher mods a sub called the_Donald (which I assume is what you’re talking about) that is dedicated to documenting trumps crimes. NOT a pro-trump sub.

I highly recommend clicking through when you find something like that, often it’s a terrible sub but there’s also times when it’s not what you’d expect. As for the other sub, that’s called lemmyDrama, which is just about lemmy drama, like how r/subredditdrama on reddit is about drama. So I wouldn’t call that trolling. But that might just be my opinion on what trolling is.

My thoughts as well. I think it’s kinda like a low road vs high road thing. Taking the high road kneecaps you and keeps you from really being able to fight and challenge the BS. I think refusing to take any money from Billionaires in a world where people like Musk and Murdoch manipulate everything, not taking any Billionaire money will not work. There is no way for small donors to give enough money to outstanding those billionaires or to out manipulate media.

That was my thought as well

Good point. I forgot all about that stuff cause I’m not a Minnesotan.

Well he’s not a representative or anything. He was chair of the DFL party which is the Democratic party in Minnesota. So he doesn’t have a voting record but he was elected 14 years ago and again, they haven’t lost a statewide race since. He’s a strategist.

He led the campaign in 2008 for the the Clean Water, Land and Legacy Amendment which is designed to help public lands, help keep water clean from pollution, and fund the arts and heritage fund.

Wilker, his opponent, was also supported by two billionaires but Ken wasn’t.

Under his watch Minnesota defeated the amendment to ban same sex marriage and an ammendment for voters ID, they regained state senate and house majorities that they lost in 2010, he’s the guy who helped get Tim Walz to be governor. He helped flip multiple seats in Minnesota from Red to blue including one that was red for 40 years.

Again, he’s a strategist, which is what the DNC chair does, strategize.

Edit: original comment I responded to said “voting record” not history

As no one is talking about who Martin is let’s go over his accomplishments and how he could be positive for the party:

Since he became leader of the state party, 14 years ago, they have not lost a statewide race.

He talks about how they need to appeal to working class voters again.

He frames himself as a pro-labor progressive.

Pelosi and Schumer wanted his opponent.

He said this during his victory speech

“Are we on the side of the robber baron, the ultrawealthy billionaire, the oil and gas polluter, the union buster?” Mr. Martin asked. “Or are we on the side of the American working family, the small-business owner, the farmer, the immigrant and the students?”

He also talks about how we need a country wide approach not specific states. He wants people to be running everywhere.

He’s one of the better candidates that could have won. Not perfect, but definitely better than some of the other candidates.

Important edit: he also talked about how there were “good” billionaires and “bad” billionaires which is bs. But there is a reality that it’s gonna be hard to run a campaign and win without the support of any possible billionaire. I mean, one of the reasons the GOP won this time around was because the billionaires manipulated shit. We should still make it so that billionaires don’t exist because having a system that creates them is insane. But also, it’s hard to win in the current system without them.

I definitely agree they should be consistent, in other countries the drinking age is 18 like voting. Of course I think banning this shit is BS still though.