Maybe design award, he talks about how everything is the same but was impressed with the Magic V2 because of it’s thinness and how it manages to cram a larger battery than other foldables. While that’s impressive, I don’t really think it’s groundbreaking. I feel repairability should also be a consideration for design since most slabs and foldables look identical to each other and the Fairphone is miles ahead of everything else in that regard.

8+2 MP rubbish on a phone that’s surely going to cost $600 or more at launch is honestly infuriating. This won’t make sense in any market other than India.

Unfortunately both chips were fabbed by Samsung Foundry. Tensor is also fabbed by then which explains the overheating, poor efficiency and throttling. I really hope Samsung can catch up with TSMC with 3nm but would be wary of a Samsung fabbed SoC until they prove they’ve caught up. Qualcomm moved from Samsung to TSMC for the 8+ Gen 1 because Samsung weren’t meeting their targets as they had low yield. The yield issue seems to be fixed according to some media outlets but doesn’t seem like the fab itself has improved.

How many people are going to read that properly? We’re not just talking about enthusiasts, regular users will do it if they get the option and think they can store their apps on there.

Not sure if all manufacturers do this, there are also instances where the user might set up the SD card as adoptable storage which would make it hard to differentiate between internal storage and the SD card.

Well yeah NAND has a certain amount of read/write cycles but it’s always going to be an issue with SD cards because they’re using the cheapest form of NAND. As a result of that they’re not going to get some of the complex safety mechanisms that are built into internal NAND. So I think we’ll have to disagree here.

They were using the telephoto as a point of differentiation too. I’m not sure why they even bother with that awful 8 MP ultrawide since it’s unusable. The images have no detail at all. Might as well just have one good camera instead of one useable and two unusable cameras.

My initial comment also mentioned why developers hated the SD card slot. To quote Koush

The SD card needs to go away. It’s a nightmare for developers. There’s too much variability here. SD Cards can be slow, resulting in poor app performance. They can come and go, or be swapped, and that results in unpredictable behavior if an app was expecting an SD card. One contiguous block of data needs to become the standard here (with different OEM SKUs for more/less storage), as it has been on iOS since the first iPhone.

The comments from Linus came from an industry insider he said he trusts. I would be inclined to believe him since he used to carry a Note9 and was a massive advocate of SD cards.

Also don’t think the reliability of the cards was an issue when I got them, they were high rated Samsung and Sandisk models.

And 128 GB is almost nothing, kinda proving my point that this is more of a use case point than an argument against the feature.

You’re looking at this from the point of a power user and not the average person. Most normal people just get the base variant when they see it has 128 GB and are happy with it.

They’re objectively more reliable than cloud storage though, should you ever go somewhere where network connectivity is an issue

I mentioned I dislike cloud storage but with USB-C ports I can actually use my external SSD or a USB drive to backup my phone if I want to although it’s not something I do often.

Given that they’re still using Bluetooth, which is still terrible with any interference, low bandwidth, and has the same tedious connectivity problems it’s had for the past decade…I’d argue we have yet to see that progress where it matters.

When was the last time you used a Bluetooth headset? I had issues initially in 2018 and 2019 but things like the Galaxy Buds+ and newer generations of truly wireless earbuds have fixed the connectivity and interference issues. Some Bluetooth headphones support LDAC and LHDC codecs which allow for high bandwidth. LDAC is part of AOSP so it should be on every Android phone running Oreo or newer unless the OEM has removed it for some reason.

If that were true, there wouldn’t be so many people vocally expressing why new products aren’t adequate without these basic features.

That’s because there are a small group of enthusiasts who are extremely vocal. Most people have moved on, they may want one or both features but they aren’t dealbreakers for them. Also wouldn’t say a bunch of enthusiasts complaining means it expresses the sentiments of everyone. Look at the outcry about the iPhone mini, it didn’t sell very well but online communities would have you believe it was the most popular device of that lineup.

I doubt they’ll do it since it’s not on the regular Pixel 8. I think that’s a feature they’ll keep for the higher end. Pixel Xa series already has a faster processor and better cameras compared to their competition in North America, Australia and Western Europe.

From my experience it’s been the opposite, the phones have survived but the SD cards have died twice. Haven’t cared about it since then.

My comment mentioned why the SD card was removed. To paraphrase Linus, they’re the cheapest form of NAND storage and are extremely unreliable. When they fail, the average consumer blames the phone and not the cheap SD card they put into it. I’m not a fan of cloud storage but most people do not need anything other than the base variant now since it comes with 128 GB out of the box. Some manufacturers are even offering 256 GB.

I also mentioned that I’d like having the jack but it’s not a dealbreaker that it’s gone. Also doubt we would have seen as much progress with truly wireless earbuds if more manufacturers did not remove the headphone jack. I know some people detest them and think they’re a cash grab but they’re a game changer when it comes to exercising and moving around. However I’ll agree that removing the jack also opened another revenue stream for manufacturers which could be construed as a cash grab.

Additionally I stated my point wasn’t directly at the OP but was a rant at the senseless “no jack, no SD card, DOA” comment which can be seen at the launch of a phone who’s manufacturer hasn’t included those features for 5 or more years. It’s just beating a dead horse at this point. It is like expecting CRT TVs to be the default instead of flat TVs. CRTs also had advantages but the market has moved on. Additionally I think it might be better to actually comment about a phone having a headphone jack or SD card slot or both of those since that’s a much more positive way of looking at things since not having them is the default now.

More telephoto cameras on midrange phones. It seems like they’re returning on some Chinese flagship killers. Would be great if Samsung and Google followed suit. Would be especially nice if we got periscope lenses.

I’d like to see LTPO on more phones, seems like it’s limited only to the highest end flagship now. Would be nice to save battery when the screen is not being touched.

Something I don’t like on a lot of Chinese midrangers - those rubbish 1/4" 8 MP ultrawides, don’t think it would cost much more to have a 12 MP ultrawide and the difference in quality would be big enough to justify using it. Samsung do it on the A2x and A3x too.

Counter argument: I get frustrated when people complain about the lack of SD card and headphone jack on every phone that doesn’t have those. I get it some people really want those features but do they really expect manufacturers to add them after they’ve gone? Sony’s the only manufacturer that changed course and they only did it because they’re a niche brand with an audience that appreciates those features.

I feel it’s foolish to expect someone like Google to suddenly change their mind because someone on the internet said they wouldn’t buy their phones without those features. They’ve not had expendable storage on any Nexus or Pixel phone except for the Nexus One and the jack has been gone since the Pixel 2. I know the A series had it longer but it’s been two generations since it’s disappeared from there as well.

For whatever it’s worth, I would like to have the headphone jack personally but it’s not a dealbreaker if it’s not there. Don’t care about the SD card and wouldn’t use it anyways since it’s extremely slow compared to internal storage and I’ve had a bad experience when I’ve used it on previous phones when it got corrupted and I lost a significant amount of pictures. Didn’t use it for apps because I knew it would result in slower load times so was really disappointed when it got corrupted. I’m not the only one who thinks this way, app developers hate the SD card too. Linus Sebastian also said that someone in the industry said it has gone away because of performance concerns.

Note: this isn’t aimed at you, it’s just a rant against the “no SD card, no 3.5 mm, no buy” crowd that always posts those comments whenever some phone doesn’t have it.

Every manufacturer is now using computational photography and both phones use a different ISP. You’re probably going to end up with two slightly different images even if you use the same SoC on an identical phone as they may end up using a slightly different condition in auto mode.

It’s 2mm shorter than the 5 IV.

I wouldn’t say so. Not having the 8 Gen 1 is a massive positive in itself and the 8 Gen 2 is actually a good chip. They’ve also upgraded the primary sensor to match the 1 V. Lack of telephoto is a downer but they have made it a little shorter to compensate and they’ve managed to cram the same 5000 mAh battery as last year.