Whatever beef… you have with veganism, I don’t need to combat you. There are people that do know the middle way, and live it as much as possible, without needing to be taught. And there are people who will find it and learn from it. You may be one of them, but the energy you put into this back and forth isn’t worth the time, honestly.

You should REALLY write a book, because there is nothing but anguish on your part to gain while messaging me, just as I realised there was nothing more to say 3 weeks ago. It’s quite a shame you haven’t noticed I checked out a while ago upon catching your anecdotal rhetoric, what if I just don’t believe you, you’ve given no evidence to support your claims, and they’re BOLD claims.

I’ve felt no need to explain myself, and if you feel morally inferior, that’s on you. I’m not morally superior, but I strive to be better than I was. There’s the difference.

I wish you the best in your life, even while contributing to unnecessary suffering while using a fantastic brain to justify it.

True, actions speak. So I do what I can. You probably don’t but that’s an assumption I admit.

You’ve got a lot of assumptions, but that’s OK. Like people choosing to eat meat. I don’t think that, as I say, you’re fine to believe the assumptions you make are fact. Even if they’re anecdotal. Like people don’t need to be educated. I disagree. And it’s proven by the rhetoric used in discussing PETA.

Your “most vegans” argument is moot when as a vegan, the discussions surrounding rewilding are far more common than your slice of a piece of what I’ve talked about with them. As I reinstate, it’s simply anti vegan rhetoric that you’re so on board with, your world view is rocked, and can’t see the forest from the trees.

For clarity, I don’t think you’re an idiot or uneducated, just misguided and have been misinformed for so long, your very core is against the idea, and you’re smart enough to justify why you feel like that.

At the end of the day, you are against veganism, that’s cool imo, but I do hope one day people like yourself can see the fight against oppression doesn’t stop at humans.

You’re fine to believe all that, it just comes across as though you’re assuming everyone who eats meat has done the due diligence in finding out what happens behind closed doors. That’s not the case, and it’s too obvious you’re wrapped up in your own views to ever change based on what one guy tells you on the Internet. You have to do the work yourself, but only if you want to, which by now, you can’t.

Which is OK, people who care are putting in the work, and the world will be better for it.

I hope you find compassion one day, because I’m certainly not telling you why you should be.

A just world like Pala from aldous Huxleys:The island? Good read, highly recommended if you share the same mindset as me. Which, although not quite as far along the journey as me, you seem to.

Hanlon’s razor my friend. Till more evidence, they’re just fucking idiots.

Edit: I reserved judgement, but after further reading, signs are pointing to sabotage, still, not conclusive.

Apparently everyone who disagrees with you is a toxic troll. Look under your own shoe bro lol.

You replied to the wrong comment, and I reread what I put, nowhere did I say I enjoy causing pain to others, I’d advise you reread it…

Enjoy is a choice word, but you betrayed yourself when you said this “Ah yes Vine, definitely a relevant thing in 2023 that everyone references. Thanks for reminding me that Vine existed, I had actually forgotten.”

Everything you’ve received, you invited, and continue to do so.

But go ahead, keep us up there, popping into your thoughts when you think you’re happy, just to tell you this:

You missed a joke/reference, then got pissy. If this back and forth in this thread has caused you any turmoil, I’m sorry, but that’s completely on you mate.

It’s up to you to recognise that.

Take care bro, seems you have bigger problems than us.

X

Enjoy is a choice word, but you betrayed yourself when you said this “Ah yes Vine, definitely a relevant thing in 2023 that everyone references. Thanks for reminding me that Vine existed, I had actually forgotten.”

Everything you’ve received, you invited, and continue to do so.

But go ahead, keep us up there, popping into your thoughts when you think you’re happy, just to tell you this:

You missed a joke/reference, then got pissy. If this back and forth in this thread has caused you any turmoil, I’m sorry, but that’s completely on you mate.

It’s up to you to recognise that.

Take care bro, seems you have bigger problems than us.

X

It’s literally 30 seconds out my day, if it’s that hard to take, I think it’s pretty obvious it’s your issue here.

But by all means, keep everyone who’s shit on you in this thread, carry them round in your head, eating away at your psyche.

Jfc recognise when to bow out you clown lol.

They’re a case study in antivegan rhetoric, don’t worry about them.

Hmm I was 27 years a meat eater, advocating for meat consumption in the face of a vegan mate. Saying things like “we need a little bit of meat in our diets…they’re killed humanely…etc”

Took me one moment of realisation, then I dunno, I just tried, not even that hard, vegan 7 years now.

I can see that the transitional foods are a good stepping stone, but imo, the second you see inside the animal agriculture industry without any blinders on (biases), you’ll choose to act within your life, if you have the compassion/empathy to.

If someone sees the reality of what goes on behind closed doors and continues to consume animals in much the same way, it says more about that persons internal morality than anything else.

You have a strange idea of what “the loop” is.

And you have no idea, keep up.

Just say “all the time” if your memory is that bad mate.

Aside from this, you out the loop a lot?

You’ll just never know. Others will. Move on. Be better X

…because I’m accusing you of speaking incoherently?

If that’s what you believe, that’s OK.

Instead of just insulting me, why don’t you try harder to explain what you mean?

Sorry if you feel I insulted you…? You’re trying to have a debate here, I’m not. That’s it. Get over it, move on with your life. Or keep me in your head rent free idm. If you can’t read between the lines, and see the bigger picture, there are future vegans that will see, and then act, as I did.

Whatever your goal, you either know what you’re doing, or don’t, isn’t my concern, and it’s apparant from the off that your anti vegan stance comes before anything worth responding to. That’s why my engagement with you is low. Others will see through it (intended or not).

If you need to feel the thrill of a win, here you go.

You’d actually make a brilliant case study on anti vegan rhetoric ngl.

Here’s my disengagement kiss. X

At this point I think you’re either an anti vegan bot/troll, an animal agriculture shill, or just someone so enraptured in the decision they’ve made, before ever really thinking, that I genuinely feel sorry about what got you to this point.

You’d made your mind up ages ago, yet you’re still looking for my attention… So yeah, either bot/troll, shill, or dogmatic to the point you’re blind to how you come across.

Peace.

You said it yourself, but yeah you do misunderstand.

Like I said it’s not meant for people like you. It’s meant for people who I don’t need to convince that what we unnecessarily do is wrong, you’ll feel it if you have the empathy, and that’s entirely on you and your morality bro.

The people this will reach and make think, will tell people what needs to be done, and even when they know, and don’t want to do it because irrelevant reasons, they STILL do what needs to be done, because compassion.

If you don’t get it, it’s OK! It’s not meant to “be got” by you.

Take care, try be better bro x

Fail mate, go watch any number of exposé’s.

Chalked it up to “horrific soundbytes” lmao, got your head buried in the sand pal.

Miss me with your lack of compassion.

It’s not meant for you. I can assume it’s meant for people whom it does bother, and also don’t know.

Nothing of value to add?

Peace.