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Cake day: July 8th, 2023

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  • Right on. Just chiming in to say that everything you say is totally congruent with what I learned about the conservation movement in my environmental studies courses. I get plenty of reminders geographically, too, since I live not too far from the USDA Forest Products Laboratory on Gifford Pinchot Drive, as well a Muir Knoll, named for preservationist John Muir. The conservationists and the preservationists were ideological rivals—a store of resources for judicious human use vs. nature’s value pro se—and the modern environmental movement is much more aligned with the preservationists. The conservationist movement was more c*nservative, relatively.

    I guess sometimes on social media, you run across a Two Minutes Hate gathering, where nuance is not welcome, without being able to realize it in advance.














  • I chose those words carefully, and said Third Reich, not Hitler. Even the moniker “the final solution” comes from “the final solution to the Jewish question,” which implies that it had tried other solutions previously. The Nazis wanted Jews out of Germany, and as such had done things like encourage Jewish emigration to Palestine before the war. Then they escalated to pogroms and work camps, and before deciding on a Holocaust because they were losing the war and (edit, in retrospect not the correct interpretation) running low on resources, and that was the most expedient way to clear Jews out of Germany.

    It’s worth remembering that history, since Israel now seems to be on a similar trajectory with Palestinians.


  • A critical analysis of past Israeli positions and current actions, basically. In brief, Israel refuses any solution that lets the people of Palestine stay, they can’t leave because they have nowhere to go, and Israel’s military policy is that it’s okay to kill them. The easiest path forward for Israel is genocide, and its current actions are congruent with that. (E.g. directing civilians to a place of refuge, and then bombing it.)

    Remember, even Germany’s Third Reich didn’t set out to perpetrate a genocide, but circumstances drove them to it.


  • First, I know you’re not making the argument, the issues you raised made me think of related issues.

    But to explain myself further, language and cultural differences are actually really minor, in the grand scheme of things. Minnesota has 13% of the U.S. refugee population. Wisconsin took in the Hmong. Dearborn, MI has a large Muslim population. It largely is not a problem. But, then, we’ve taken them in slowly.

    The big issue is economic. It’s costly for countries to integrate large numbers of people all at once, what with the need for housing, food, jobs, et cetera. The issues in Europe, as I understand them, occur in refugee populations mired in poverty without support from the society to integrate.

    Those same problems would bedevil any country, even if the refugees have the similar language and culture. Especially a couple million flooding in all at once. The racist part is overlooking those facts, and blaming Arab countries for not doing what we are not willing to do ourselves.