All I see out there are gay rights, trans rights, whatever parades.
And people actually show up. like wth. given that it’s 5% population max.

Because the playbook to destroy democracies has already been written. You don’t destroy a democratic nation by attacking it, you destroy it by getting it to attack itself.

Fascist know that if they can just turn the majority against a specific minority, then they have a foot in the door. You can’t uninvite the vampire from your home, once you let them have their way with the minority, the rules have changed, and those rules will eventually be changed for everyone.

If you protect the neediest minority group that protection extends to everyone. If we ignore that need, then it’s only a matter of time before everyone needs that protection.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have workers rights parades. I’m saying that gay rights and trans rights are workers rights parades, because they are our fellow workers. I think a lot of modern leftist groups think of minority rights as vestigial or as a distraction. When in reality every trans rights parade should be protected by a sea of factory workers willing to stomp on some fascist for attacking the solidarity or the working class.

None of what you’ve copypasted here would prove anything close to genocide

Lol, I think I specifically outlined that this was evidence of a minority group being suppressed, not genocide.

systematic oppression even if any of it were true

And what is your rebuttal to this sourced information? What evidence do you have to dispute any of the evidence I laid out?

For someone who is so anal about the sourcing of evidence, you seem to be lacking any kind of counter argument.

your “source” presents absolutely no evidence to support their claims, it’s literally just paragraph after paragraph of “trust me bro”.

Lol, what aspect of their write up are you rebutting? In the “paragraphs after paragraphs” of information you are rebutting they state they are utilizing information published by census data published by the Chinese government.

Your only source is also verifiably funded by the US and our allies,

Central European Initiative Eleanor Rathbone Charitable Trust European Union Evan Cornish Foundation Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs Foundation for International Law for the Environment International Development Research Centre International Research & Exchanges Board Irish Aid Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Open Society Foundations Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency The Blanes Trust The Miaan Group The United Nations Democracy Fund The United States Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor The United Nations Population Fund Wellcome Trust

And much of these sponsors are also condemning the crimes sponsored by the US in Israel. Just accepting funding from an org doesn’t mean your evidence is by rote incorrect.

You are not rebutting any of the actual evidence, you’re just moralizing.

There is not “plenty of evidence”, there are plenty of wild claims and unverifiable stories,

“Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population.”

“Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population.”

“The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand.”

“The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化).”

“Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned.”

Source from Minority Rights Group

about a country& region that is currently completely open to foreign tourism no less.

"While Xinjiang is generally open to international tourism, there are specific travel restrictions and measures in place, particularly for certain groups and areas. Generally, foreigners do not need a special permit to enter Xinjiang, but they do need a valid Chinese visa. However, there are restrictions on travel in specific areas, and increased security measures are common, especially in major cities. "

You admit you don’t believe there’s a genocide occuring, yet still choose to believe the people/organizations making these claims despite the fact that all of them claim that a genocide is occuring.

You can still massively suppress a minority group without committing what is commonly thought to be a genocide.

Just because I don’t completely agree with the conclusions made from a body of evidence doesn’t mean the evidence is invalid.

Han chauvinism existing does absolutely nothing to prove the specific accusations being presented. When a government chooses to target a minority population it invariably results in physical evidence, see Palestine for examples.

What accusations of mine are you denying?

As I said there is plenty of evidence to confirm that a minority group is being put into concentration camps for "reeducation " and that they are being forced to move away from their traditional homeland. This isn’t even being denied by the Chinese government, they just validate it as a way to control what they lable as terrorism.

The evidence I provided is sourced by an organization that also documents the crimes currently occuring in Gaza.

should be more than enough reason for any reasonable person to disregard these stories until such evidence is presented.

As I said, there’s plenty of evidence that’s been cross referenced and verified by dozens of advocacy groups who often stand against America’s foreign policy. Most of the evidence comes from internal documents created by the Chinese government itself.

I don’t have any specific prejudice against the Chinese government, it like any government does things that I agree with and disagree with. You on the other hand don’t seem to be able to get over your own biases.

There is plenty of evidence widely available from organizations like human rights watch and amnesty international. Claims that deny any evidence exist of the persecution of China’s Muslim population rely on logical fallacies to attempt to obscure the validity of the body of evidence. Namely ad hominem attacks against the individual who first gathered the evidence to begin with.

While the researcher obviously has biased opinions about the CCP, that doesn’t affect the validity of the evidence gathered, most of which comes directly from publicly available information released by the CCP itself, or from leaked internal communication from party members that have been widely verified by reputable journalists and organizations specializing in human rights violations.

While I personally wouldn’t claim that there is a genocide as we traditionally understand it has occurred, it’s hard to deny that the Uyghur people aren’t being systemically oppressed or that significant human rights violations haven’t occurred.

Simply looking at publicly available census data releases by the CCP we can tell that Uyghur people are being driven from culturally important sites that are being replaced by ethnically Han Chinese, and that Uyghur populations have been shrinking at a worryingly abnormal rate.

If we look at recent history of ethnic conflict within China in tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, I fail to see why it’s logical to assume that the accusations of crimes against humanity is pure propaganda.

Han chauvinism is well documented, and even Mao Zedong spoke about how it would negatively affect the future of the party. Ethnic conflict/cleansing has been a constant in the region and is part of the foundational history of modern China.

Xinjiang is literally completely open to foreign tourism

No it’s not, large parts of xinjiang require permits to visit, or are still completely blocked to outsiders.

Also, there is plenty of evidence to verify that systemic abuse of minority rights has and still is occurring in China. You deny any of it is valid.

It’s polite etiquette to mention what you’re quoting.

It’s obviously a common definition of IQ… It doesn’t really matter where it’s from as it shows that general definitions of IQ claim it’s a test of generalized intellect.

Your quote doesn’t really refute my argument, or clarify what claim you are making?

An intelligence quotient (IQ) is a total score derived from a set of standardized tests or subtests designed to assess human intelligence.[1]

What exactly are you claiming? That it’s not a test to measure intellect? That IQ is pseudoscience? Or that it’s not specifically generalized intellect?

IQ is not a measurement of human intellect in general.

I don’t think there’s a scientific consensus of what IQ really measures.

Regarding correlation with success, I should have specified that the correlation still exists even when controlling for birth environment.

I would say that would be extremely difficult to definitively prove. IQ is more of a social study than a hard science, typically this kinda data is more suggestive than it is definite.

Never studied for them, they seemed like mostly simple pattern recognition and general logic questions, which I’ve never really thought you could even study for.

There are a few different tests that are supposed to clinically measure IQ. Most of them are more complex than pattern recognition and most all of them are administered by some sort of clinician, which can also influence outcomes.

But general intellect, as far as I can tell (and maybe my understanding of it is wrong), is what influences your ability to shift to a new field and gain expertise in that. Years alone don’t cut it. In my own field, I’ve seen software engineers who can’t program for shit, let alone make any architectural decisions after a decade - and ones that are pretty competent after 2-3 years.

I would say that the ability to gain expertise is generally hard to differentiate with the motivation to gain expertise. What we can empirically prove is that time spent practicing a skill is how we gain expertise in most any skill.

In fact, it’s more like ranges of aptitudes. I have great aptitude for STEM, pretty decent aptitude for languages, and absolutely none for arts. No drawing, no singing, etc. No matter how much practice I get and how much practice I got in my childhood.

It could be that you just perceive yourself being at being better at stem because you enjoy practicing the skills required for stem. People generally gain experience faster in skill sets they enjoy or skills they perceive thems to excel at.

There’s just skills I won’t learn in 10 years of practice, and skills I pick up rapidly, and it’s been that way since childhood.

Again, this could be self fulfilling process. If you don’t think you will excel at something you may not fully engage in the process, or even self sabotage the process.

think IQ in particular unfairly prioritizes understanding of language and logic, over artful skills and, e.g emotional intelligence (which is measured by EQ I guess).

I think for this to be true your claim would have to be that emotional intellect is devoid of logic or language…which seems fairly self evidently incorrect.

My main point that I wanted to make was that some people are naturally more gifted, and just faster learners, than others.

Or people are better at learning things they are self motivated to learn about, and that society influences what skills we find valuable or “intellectual”.

In short, what we can empirically prove about intellect is usually environmental in nature, and what we can only theorize about heritability cannot be differentiated from other variabilities that may correlate with that theory.

I’m not generally interested in comparing IQ results between countries or even for people of differing first language though so these don’t especially concern me so long as I can be sure a study averts the issue.

My point is the variability between test groups calls into question the reliability of IQ as a concept as a whole. If IQ is an innate measurement of intellect for humans in general, then the reliability of the test shouldn’t be culturally constrained.

for instance, it correlates well with success (level of education (eventually) reached, or $ in a capitalist society) and I’d be surprised to find any major journal publishing a paper which disputes that.

Yes, but I could make the same claim about a plethora of other correlations with more confidence like having wealthy parents.

Wait, do people actually study for IQ tests? Why?

The same reason mensa is a thing. People like to toot their own horn.

reckon general intellect does matter. In a world where your job might not exist in 5 years because lol AI, it’s best to be able to adapt fast. Specialize, yes, but one day your specialization will be useless. Best case scenario, it’s after you’ve retired.

To a certain extent yes, but no one can be an expert at everything. There just isn’t enough time, and expertise is really what society rewards people for at the end of the day.

And going back to heritability, there’s definitely some heritability there

I would say that would be incredibly hard to empirically prove due to the problems you mentioned. At best we could speculate that heritability may be an influence, but that influence is vastly overshadowed by environmental factors.

This article does a pretty decent job pointing out some of the variabilities that make IQ test unreliable. Tbh I think the concept of IQ is fruit from the poisoned tree. There are so many people that stake their positions and identities on the efficacy of IQ that the whole data pool is kinda poisoned. For every study that makes a claim, there are other studies rebutting it.

And can you link me to the language thing? When I look up language, I’m just seeing correlation between language proficiency and IQ, which shouldn’t be surprising – I would imagine that people who measure a higher IQ are better at learning languages.

I would have to search for it, i originally read about it when I was in college over a decade ago. Basically the claim was that the vast majority of the tests originate or are interpreted from English or another western language. When certain aspects of the test are interpreted to a different language the sentence structure is modified in a way where it adds an additional barrier for the test taker.

This may be somewhat solved by the different language speakers creating their own test, but that may not overcome the problem due to the need for global standardization, orit may be a barrier to language speakers who’s cultures haven’t invested the time or resources to the idea of IQ to begin with.

I mean, the validity of IQ tests in general should be questioned when the largest variability in scoring is if you’ve previously studied for an IQ test followed by what language you speak.

Philosophically I don’t really think there’s a uniform agreement on what exactly defines general intellect, or if that general intellect even matters considering were a species that relies on specialization.

As far as heritability, I imagine that would be a horribly difficult topic to actually get enough research to rule out variables like socioeconomics and cultural differences. I mean I doubt there’s that many twin studies to establish the efficacy any particular theory.

Gotta feed your hounds if you want to sic your attack dogs on someone. At this point there is going to be some sort of judicial or legislative confrontation whether it be meek or consequential. Midterms will be here sooner or later and he needs his constituents to feel like they are being attacked, he needs to feel like they need him to defend their ways of life.

Putain has zero intention of ending this without the full and complete subjugation of Ukraine.

Even if Russia subjugated the entirety of Ukraine, they still couldn’t afford to stop. They’ve completely transitioned to a war time economy and have isolated all foreign capital.

If Putin decides to end the campaign in Ukraine, it would just mean that they’re about to invade somewhere like Slovenia. They’re economy couldn’t handle the transition into a regular economy without imploding.

Haha, no it’s good for me. English wasn’t my first language, so I welcome the reinforcement.

Surely attacking the musical embodiment of the working class in New Jersey will be good for the conservatives…right?

I feel like if he wanted Jersey to file articles of succession all he would have to do at this point is ban pork rolls.

Why don’t the homeless just simply befriend the children of oil tycoons and have them gift them a vineyard? Then they too could one day fail upwards to become the governor of California.

If Gavin wasn’t the friend of a billionaire he would be an illiterate moron who couldn’t hold down a job.

The hilarious thing about all these fascist trying to claim that the new Pope is woke is that he’s more conservative than Francis.

Prevost opposes the ordination of women to the diaconate, arguing it “doesn’t necessarily solve a problem” and could create new issues.[106]

Prevost opposes euthanasia, abortion, and the death penalty.

Prevost opposed the inclusion of “gender ideology” in Peruvian school curricula, stating it promotes “genders that don’t exist”.[81][121] In 2012, he criticized popular culture’s sympathy for the “homosexual lifestyle” and same-sex families.[122] Prevost expressed reservations about “sympathy for beliefs and practices that contradict the gospel”

Just because he doesn’t hate brown people and doesn’t like trump they’re doing trans phrenology on him lol.

A perfect example of how terms like “woke” are indefinable.