I know, Rick kinda is the ultimate representation of that, both ways.

Some people are so petty or have such bad self-esteem that they will contemplate the infinite only as a means to put someone else/themselves down

Yeah, the moral scandal of shouting that kids are being exposed to sex is just too effective at enabling all kinds of overreach.

But if you say that sex education, teaching about consent and risks and how to seek help, is far more effective at protecting children than any sort of censorship, they’ll act doubly scandalized. And parents who don’t want to talk about sensitive matters with their precious little angels fall for it every time.

I get wanting to keep porn away from children, but on the flipside I don’t trust governments with a history of criminalizing homosexuality with my porn history. Looking up, it seems that these states even kept laws against sodomy in their books.

Twitter (desperately purporting to be Elon Musk’s X)

Gotta wonder how that affects older games that haven’t been updated since…

The difference is that when it comes to intellectual, creative and communication work, we aren’t the coachmen and breeders, we are the horses. After horses were no longer needed, what happened to them was very different.

So? What I said is just as applicable either way. Funny how pissy people get when they run out of arguments. You sure didn’t come across as a great philosophers even before you started hurling insults like an elementary grader.

But if I was interested on what you had to say before, now I sure don’t.

You can resent advertising however much you want but you are getting this one backwards. Influencers can be anything from models, reviewers, comedians, actors, so forth. It’s a catch-all term for internet performers. They often rely on brand deals because it’s one of the few reliable ways to make money on the internet. But do you really think millions of people follow influencers for the sole purpose of getting advertised at? That doesn’t make sense.

Part of the issue is that this rush to transition to AI is not done to increase quality of work, but to sav time and costs. If the point was to improve the treatment, keeping a human doctor plus AI might result in better outcomes. But AI or no AI, a for-profit medical system won’t elliminate health inequalities.

It’s also worth keeping in mind not all forms of work are actually enhanced by AI participation. Journalists aren’t aided by language models that regularly hallucinate false informations.

Replaced implies some, likely many humans won’t be able to compete and will be driven out of the field. Not by any other more skillful artist, but simply by AI output. Which is an inevitability. Some might say it’s already happening.

C’mon…

If you wanna judge me for my comments you gotta do better than “As an artist I thought about it and decided X is an art and Y isn’t” as if everyone should just take your opinions as fact without any reasons for it. You didn’t give me anything to ponder any deeper about.

If it was all a joke, it wasn’t all that funny either.

Arts and crafts is a whole another discussion, and some say this distinction is only made to demean artisans when compared to academic artists. Similarly, if photography is art, and physical expression such as dance is art, I don’t see why modeling wouldn’t be art.

Influencers aren’t all Logan Paul either. Would someone who offers useful recommendations or makes good comedy skits deserve to die either? Seems extreme. This whole thread seems way too hateful of the idea.

You haven’t heard of good writing and good artwork being replaced by AI?

Do you realize artistic photography uses models too? I mentioned it right below in this discussion.

Consider that maybe you associate modeling with advertisements because our society is more driven by marketing than culture.

Even doctors are liable to be replaced by AI. I don’t know what counts as “something of value to society” to you, and frankly that’s the sort of argument that is never worth having. But generally speaking, it doesn’t get much more valuable for society than doctors.

The technology itself may be very interesting and it may not be ultimately the core of the problem, but because there is no attempt to address the problems that arise as its use is spread, it can’t help but harm our society. Consider how companies may forgo hiring people to use AI to replace them, which threatens not only influencers but anyone working with writing, visual arts, voice work and consequently communication and service. How it can be used manipulatively to exploit people at a rate never seen before. As many amazing uses there may be for it, there are just as many terrible possibilites.

Meanwhile the average person cannot do much with it beyond using it as a toy, really.

Ultimately the real problem is the system, but as the system refuses to change we are in a collision course. There are calls to ban AI, but that is not the ideal solution, and I don’t think it can be done in any case. But we are not having the societal changes direly needed to be able to embrace it and end up with a better world. Sure it will bring massive profits to all sorts of business and industries, but that most likely will come at direct expense of people’s livelihoods. Can we even trust the scientific and industrial uses when financial interests direct them in such a way that products are intentionally sabotaged to be less functional and durable, or even which believes “curing diseases is not a sufficiently profitable model”?

These days I just dread the future…

Back then we couldn’t guaranteed. But since productivity has grown immensely. We do grow more than enough food to feed every single person, and often that food it thrown out for a myriad of economic reasons. Technology advances but we see less and less of the benefits. It used to be at least that it freed us from manual labor into service work, but if it takes that too, then what?

You may not believe it all you want, artist are already seeing their careers diminishing in financial viability. Before we even could speculate about the threat to influencers, there were already visual artists and voice actors who gave up because their commissioners and employers decided to use AI instead. One might say “this means they weren’t very good so no loss”, but how does an artist get good if not practice? Nah, we aren’t sliding from ending Logan Paul to ending a prospective Leonardo Da Vinci, likely we already ruined the chances of that Da Vinci and now it’s sliding towards influencers.

And you know what, I don’t even think Logan Paul is going to lose his job considering how established he is. But some smaller, more integrous and creative influencers might.

Let’s be honest photography can stand on its legs without models.

This is not honest, this is a absolutely bonkers. What do you propose? Only having scenery and animal pictures?

Or should the photographer pose on their own? Maybe get some random people to do it? Guess what, what they are doing is modeling. That’s just reinventing modeling in a roundabout way.

The way you question fashion illustrates how all this matter is deeply subjective. Why do people pay money to Mr. Versace? Because they want to look good and they are convinced by his brand’s sense of style. Does it seem excessive? To me it does. I don’t see the appeal and it’s way too expensive for me. But I do appreciate the style some other brands offer, or even what people cobble and sew together on their own.

Is there no art that you appreciate, and couldn’t it similarly be judge in such a manner? I play a lot of games. They bring me a lot of fun and occasional thoughtful insights. One might say I’m just wasting time pressing buttons on something that is fake. It wouldn’t be an invalid observation but it would gloss over the value that I see in them.

Even getting back to influencers, as fake and greedy some might be, the value they add is not all that different than the value any art adds: the value which the audience sees in them. For any influencer to succeed, there must be many people following them. You can judge their taste but it is worth something for them.

But lets also put in perspective that influencers aren’t all millionaire grifters. Some of them are small creators who cultivate an audience with a fun performance and interesting opinions which people enjoy. It’s like celebrity culture, but immensely more accessible. If they are gone, and we are back to only having Hollywood worship, would that really be better?

Good luck convincing 8 billion people all to agree on anything, especially to drop something that has become so enmeshed with people’s lives already.

But it is going to make it worse. All the data they are collecting from us will be directly funelled into how best to manipulate us in an individual manner. It is not custom tailored to a personal level yet. Even the most cynical and greedy influencer doesn’t have the means to individualize ads. But if it’s all AI-created, then it can be done.

Yes artists come up often in this kind of discussions, the ones that are losing their job to ai never had one in the first place

Nice No True Scotsman, sounds like you don’t really value their work, that anyone who could be replaced never deserved to earn a living to begin with. I don’t think there is anything I can respond to that, because at that point we have a fundamental conflict of values and worldview.

I believe artists, even small artists, deserve to be supported and that our world and culture is better off for that. Including Jim.

The guy that gets a commission from the newly opened local microbrewery for graffiti-ing their walls is hardly losing any work to ai.

That is, until a drone can physically print AI-created graffiti and replace that guy in the same way that the digital artists get replaced

If anything they could integrate ai in their creative process.

Assuming said artist even wants to do that, why would that business hire someone to use an AI if it could do it themselves? The benefit of AI is making content creation easier and faster. It’s not enough to say that “artists could just use it” because inevitably that makes it so less artists would be needed or hired for any given work. Say the graffitti artist manages to use said AI and drones and get by. Well, then it doesn’t need a team and apprentices anymore. And these won’t manage to do the same because the graffiti worked is already handled.

Ultimately, what is all this for? Rather than automation freeing us to have leisure and be creative, it’s freeing us to carry boxes in an Amazon warehouse.