hoodatninja

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Just because some people will break rules doesn’t mean we throw our hands up and say ok then no rules.

Please show me where I said that. Because I can point to several times where I offered more nuanced approaches. It’s like you aren’t even reading my comments.

But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming

Well that’s an anecdote which I can easily counter with my own: We all immediately got around any firewalls the school had (which were a joke, you just browsed the right path and basically got around it) and played game and all sorts of nonsense at school.

Smartphones are here. Ban them all you want, kids get around it. Build a faraday cage, and your next active shooter gets extra time to do their work as teachers hunt for a landline. The list of cons vastly outweighs the pros. Hell just have a damn basket kids drop their phones in when they come into class. That’s still better than this nonsense.

Prohibition culture is generally a bad idea. You can’t tell kids “don’t have sex.” You do proper sex ed. You can’t block all signals out of a school, you create consequences for continued undesired usage and teach kids responsibility. As the original comment said: https://kbin.social/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/443382/Why-must-we-be-done-this-way#entry-comment-2266000

Your line of thinking is what leads to rampant banning and garbage blanket solutions instead of education.

I’m sorry - computers and the Internet are “just tools” but smart phones are not? Do I really need to unpack that?

But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls

Ok go find the nearest landline during an active shooter.

It’s 2023. Whether we want them or not they’re here. They in the workplace, they’re in our classrooms, they’re at home, they’re everywhere. Any attempt to truly prohibit smart devices is not as simple as it sounds and presents other challenges in the modern era.

Prohibition culture does not work for most things. If we want kids to stop using phones in class, we can take a more nuanced approach with taking it away as a blunt measure to occasionally deploy.

We don’t live in that world anymore.

Schools got by fine without the Internet until probably the mid-2000s. They got by fine without computers until probably the 90s. You can make that argument about literally anything in a school right now. We live in a society built around smart phones and tablets. We can’t just pretend we don’t.

My understanding was that it was sent back but not struck down saying that it just didn’t fall under anti-terrorism laws, but I guess I was mistaken!

It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

A faraday cage is a fun thought exercise but wholly impractical. A lot of emergency systems - such as amber alerts - rely on their connectivity. A lot of schools also give out laptops/tablets.

So many whiners lately. “Oh no my replacement Reddit doesn’t mimic my political views anymore.” Go find another instance dude. You can block this one with a few simple clicks. We don’t need to change for you.

Pretty sure SCOTUS has a case they’re hearing currently that may very well change the scope of section 230 so I’d maybe reserve your quips until after that shakes out lol

A lot of problems we don’t solve boil down to “it’s boring and expensive” lol it’s sad when you think about it. Everyone says they want infrastructure investment because they think it sounds mature or whatever, but when the day comes, they shake their heads.

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If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

That appears to be a quickly referenced theory by one (yes qualified) person on one blog post without a study behind it. I could also argue that kids generally have short attention spans but social media just allows them to indulge in it more, and they will of course prioritize attention to that over other things. That is not the same as “it shortens their attention spans.” We need at least one study here or at least something more substantive than a one-liner linking social media and decreasing ones attention span. I’m not sure if you noticed, but blog is actually focusing on how to reach kids and strategies to get them to pay attention. It has one throw away non-cited line about social media shortening attention spans.

I should also point out that I also did a cursory Google search before writing the previous comment, and that was the only post I saw as well. The reason you selected it is because there was no other decent hit when you searched I imagine.

Let me be clear here, the only reason I am sort of arguing about this is because there is a really bad propensity for older people to say something is wrong with younger people. We see it over and over again. I think social media is actually very harmful to kids, but I have yet to see anything that shows it actually diminishes ones attention span. And the reason I really don’t like that claim is because it seems to be just another variation of “kids these days.”

Source?

No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening.

I hear this a lot but have yet to see evidence/sources from anyone. It’s just “look around you.” I don’t find it particularly compelling. I didn’t exactly sit quietly as a kid myself.

I have very little faith the person you’re responding to even acknowledges the existence of ADHD .