A Theocracy and an Ethnostate are two different things. If he meant theocracy he would have used the word theocracy, but he didn’t. He used the word ethnostate

Exactly. It like watching the US back in the 2000’s constantly talk about WMDs as a pretext to attack and destabilise the middle east once again.

What’s the view your side on what the US and Israel are doing?

It seems to me that the US keeps trying to link absolutely anything done by Qassam brigades and Hezbollah and others to Iran. They’re constantly mentioning Iran. And they’re trying to make sure people think of Hamas as the same as Isis, when they’re totally different ideologically.

I feel like the reason that the US is delaying any de-escalation by Israel is that the US is hoping that Israel attacks Iran and Lebanon and that those countries respond. And by doing so it gives the US an excuse to attack and take control of those countries under the guise of helping an ally.

There was a really intersting opinion piece that made a lot of sense to me, I’ll try to link it.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/01/prof-michael-hudson-world-predictions-for-2024-usa-un-palestine-russia-and-brics.html

As horrible as South African apartheid was, what is happening to the Palestinans is degrees worse.

Ordinary South Africans still remember the deep damage Apartheid perpetrators inflicted on us, it’s poisonous remnants are still affecting us as a country to this day as we try to heal as a people.

Now imagine South Africans seeing what Israel is perpetrating against the Palestinians, now and in the past. It’s a punch to the gut, a searing pain, to see what was done to us and our parents being done to Palestinians. We’re seeing a gross refined version of Apartheid that was inflicted on us being inflicted on the Palestinians. And largely the so called west/ global north is cheering for the Israeli Apartheid regime commiting genocide. It makes me sick to my core.

For these reasons there is immense pressure on our government by civil society to denounce Israel and support Palestine. It does help that the ANC has always been pro Palestinian in the first place. Also it’s elections this year so the ANC definitely wants some good pr too.

I would say that these points factor in way more than any link to Russia or China

Yes that’s true, i noticed that too. But that community is for world news, not just US news.

I mean i understand posting about US news a few times, but he is flooding the community twice a day with between maybe 10 to 15 posts all about US internal news. I might be over- or underestimating but I’m not going to go back to count.

It’s been horrible, he’s been flooding the zone with shit ever since he’s been demodded here.

Is that why he’s spamming !politics@lemmy.ml with US internal news lately? The place has been terrible to navigate now.

I just find it ironic that the mods here implemented a rule that forbids spamming of posts by one person. Then this former mod? goes on to do exactly that at !politics@lemmy.ml

Spamming the comment section with pro israeli comments or even just muddying the waters. I’ve seen it with a few posters, including rivermonster. It distracts those reading from the real issue being discussed, usually israeli crimes against humanity.

Ok i see, i think i understand what your position is now. I don’t fully agree but i can respect it.

No one is denying that south africa has a corruption problem. But that doesn’t mean that SA’s stance against israel on the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is because Russia or China told us so.

You’re conflating the two issues. There is absolute disgust and anger at the israelis and absolute empathy towards the Palestinians because we went through the same brutalisation and dehumanisation by a racist radicalised minority government that the Palestinians are going through right now.

I would say that the Palestinians are actually subjected to worse than what south africans were subjected to. And that’s really saying something, because we know how awful apartheid was and how much brutalisation we were subject to during apartheid.

I think you’re ignoring that the south african government ( minus the DA and and their allies) and the people of south africa support the palestinians because we recognise exactly what an apartheid oppressor state looks like, and we recognise israel as being an apartheid oppresssor.

Aparheid wasn’t that long ago that we’ve forgotten what it was like. We’re still living through the repercussions of it, and will be for many years to come. We know the palestinian people are living through the same. And when they’re free of the israeli apartheid inflicted on them they’ll have to live with the repercussions of that for many generations.

It’s empathy that south africa is feeling.

Interesting take.

So you’re against “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”.

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar.

You seem vehemently opposed to “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”. Which is why i would think you would wholeheartedly support the highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

But like i said, like the israelis, you seem to hold one people’s importance above the other.

Right. Because south africa has absolutely no agency of our own, right? We can’t do anything worthwhile without european or white masters /s

I suppose the colonial mindset hasn’t left all south africans

Ok i see, it is difficult to read intent online.

But that’s exactly why it’s extremely telling when south africa calls israel an apartheid state. Because south african’s know what it’s like to be brutalised and dehumanised under an apartheid state. They see direct parallels of apartheid south africa in israel.

I don’t see it as ironic, i see it as damning.

Yes. I believe the Israelis dug a tunnel when they built the hospital too

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital-1844107

It’s not even true to call it collateral damage. Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, it’s mass murder.

I doubt they’ll see their babies again if they let israel take them. And they’ve already seen that the world will do nothing to help them

I still believe it’s the US and Norway that blew it up. The US can’t be seen to be attacking Europe and Russia so Ukraine is going to be a convenient fall guy for them.

The US had the motive and the means, and biden even slipped up before the war and said that if Russia attacked, the US would destroy Nordstream.

The US needs to be deterred from the world

Wasn’t that peace deal more in ukraine’s favour at the time? And then their western allies ordered them to refuse it?

The parallels between what ukrainians are fighting for and palestinians are fighting for is so clear to see. Yet i see people unironically support ukraine and israel at the same time.

I’ve seen the ukranian flag and the israeli flag next to their usernames. And i truly wonder what their thought process is to get them to that point.