• chagall@lemmy.world
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    If you actually read the article, you see that this problem is 100% solvable if you use a VPN.

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          The speeds are as fast (or slow) as the slowest member in the chain. If most people who participate have slow connections, then most of the times it’ll be slow. But if the majority uses fast connections, then most chains/tunnels will be fast.

          Again, it’s a chicken and egg problem: people who want fast downloads (and thus have fast pipes) won’t participate because it’s slow, but in doing so, they miss a chance to be part of the solution.

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      That’s what I understood too, but I thought I was wrong since this group can not be that stupid.

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    This is for the Netherlands, but it’s about the anti-piracy group not allowing defeats in court on the basis of GDPR and ISP refusal get in the way of a good harassment.

    Good read if you want higher blood pressure.

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      If a rights holder claims injury, I should be allowed to make it true by stealing their car.

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      come on now be nice. warner brothers entire business is hurting when you download that tv season instead of paying for it they might have to shelf another finished movie and claim the multi million dollar tax break again. /s

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    What I don’t understand is how an IP address used as an identity? If you have CG-NAT there’s a good chance you share your IP with 5-6 other people (even more possibly). Alternatively you can say I keep my WiFi open for guests so anyone can walk by my house and torrent on my IP (idk NL law but maybe the court will consider this negligence)

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      People behind cgnat is probably less likely to seed and thus less likely to get their IP address logged by these outfits. That’s just my pet theory though, not sure how to confirm it. Anyone ever heard of someone behind cgnat and still got the love letter?

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      Use a multi hop VPN that doesn’t advertise next to raid shadow legends

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        I’m probably not the best person to ask because we have limited options for speed in Hawaii with how we get our internet. I think the only company with an access point in this state is Private Internet Access, and I use a different one that others probably wouldn’t recommend because it doesn’t have an unblemished history, but I’ve been hoovering up everything for 8+ years with them and haven’t gotten a notice yet.

        But, when my current subscription is almost up, I’m probably going to try Mullvad because I’ve read nothing but unanimous good feedback about them. I think ProtonVPN is another popular one.

        Aside from that, I’m pretty sure if you search lemmy for VPN in the title, a few threads will come back full of recommendations from everyone.

        There’s also this comparison sheet someone on Reddit made and was last updated in October:

        https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ijfqfLrJWLUVBfJZ_YalVpstWsjw-JGzkvMd6u2jqEk/htmlview

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    1 year ago

    Many copyright holders believe that if they’re able to communicate with pirates, a proportion will change their behavior.

    Yes, they will probably be more careful next time

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    One thing I always find curious is these “rights holders” assuming a 100% sales conversion from piracy when, in reality, it’s probably closer to 1-10%

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      Plus, there are studies that show piracy can actually be a positive factor for sales in some cases.

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      I can see that - if you’re pirating you’ll just take anything because there’s no cost, but if you’re buying something it has to be worth it.

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    Even if they do make it to court; how do they plan on translating an IP address into the ID of the actual infringer? (not the ISP subscriber, they can’t be assumed to be the same, particularly in court)

    Just because I pay for my families internet connection doesn’t make me responsible, culpable, or even aware of their activities. Even less so now that I’m not going to receive any notice of potentially illicit activity.

    If they could haul people into court based on just an IP and get somewhere useful, they’d have done it hundreds of thousands of times over already.

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      They will skip the notice via proxy (your ISP passing a notice to you without identifying you to the claimant) and go straight to court to have the ISP forced to provide the ID of the subscriber for a specific IP observed to be active torrenting copyrighted materials.

      Then they’ll attempt to recover those court costs from that subscriber as well as sue them for the original copyright infringement.

      I think they’ll have quite an uphill battle with that approach, particularly when trying to prove the subscriber to an internet connection is also responsible for, let alone aware of, the alleged infringement. If it was that easy, they wouldn’t have bothered with notices to begin with.

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        Yeah this happened during the Napster era and it was so incredibly unpopular and unsympathetic with the general public that it didn’t continue after a while. Suing a single mom on food stamps for thousands of dollars because her teenage son downloaded a game one time is a truly abominable look for a company.

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    I suspect this is not going to go well when they find poor people who torrent for the community and try to squeeze them for blood in the courts, or find that an academic server is used to seed in it’s idle time.

    This figured into the cruel, heartless reputations of the MPA and RIAA that persist to this day.

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        They’ve turned away from suing pirates directly for alleged costs, because telling a little girl she owes you thousands for downloading a song is really not a good look.

        So they’ve been trying to convince the ISPs to deny service to people, but the ISPs don’t want to piss off their own customers (any more than they already do with hidden fees and crappy service).

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          Music piracy is all but dead. Video was dying but is making a comeback now that streaming is as bad as cable was.

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            It shouldn’t be. I’m noticing that some songs just don’t exist anymore on streaming services. Don Henley’s Boys of Summer for instance, and Play With Me by Thompson Twins (the Cool World version)

            Once again, it’s up to pirates to make sure that all versions of songs are archived.

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      Yeah, it says that they’re all “well we would have rather do it the other way for your sakes” but the fact is that if they thought they could reliably obtain money this way they’d be doing it already. A ton of legal fees are going to be wasted pursuing people they can’t catch for one reason or another, meaning that their desire to make the pirates pay their costs isn’t going to work as reliably as they’d want.

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    imagine if they spent half as much time going after abusers or billionaire tax cheats as they do people who download game of thrones from seven years ago.

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    Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN

    How sad do you have to be