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      So what? They already have one book they read all the time, you think they’ll read any of this one?

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      One thing Maga has distinguished is the difference between Christians and Maga Christians.

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          Most are Maga Christians. Well really we can drop the Christian part. They pretended to be christians, but they were Maga under the guise of christian.

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            They’re also Christian. Everything they embrace can be found in the Bible in both Old Testament and New Testament.

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                That’s why so many American Christians love him - they’re so much alike!

                If there’s one thing our Christians are known for, it’s being as un-christ-like as possible.

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          Look up supply side Jesus, look up how many christy denominations like SDA who supported and pushed for vaccinations, love not hate, support not bigotry. They’re all the same?

          There is no such thing as “Christians” when it comes to blanket definitions and groupings. The world is far more complex than that, and so are christy religions.

          Now, I can just feel the “no true Scotsman” counter coming. To be sure we’re on the same page:

          The no true Scotsman fallacy is the attempt to defend a generalization by denying the validity of any counterexamples given. By changing the definition of who or what belongs to a group or category, the speaker can conveniently dismiss any example that proves the generalization doesn’t hold.

          So given this, when we have these morons going on about things like this: https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak

          multiple pastors had told him they would quote the Sermon on the Mount, specifically the part that says to “turn the other cheek,” when preaching. Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”

          “What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’” Moore said. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

          These people reject christ and his teachings, they aren’t just simply not living up to the ideals of Jesus, They OUTRIGHT REJECT CHRIST and the teachings of love/kindness/respect. Respect for the prostitutes, the diseased or disabled, the poor, etc., these things are the opposite of what these gelical hate-fucks believe and support.

          And as Trump swings ever further right, it makes sense that people who believe he will solve their problems will follow blindly.

          Once again, a significant departure from the teachings of Christ to the ramblings of an orange asshole. They’re trump cockian, not christian.

          Most of these supply-siders treat their christy bs as nothing more than a brand name or tribal identity with very few actual beliefs attached. The name of their religion is just a verbal shorthand for whatever their peer group thinks is good, so if you’re a hardcore propertarian and your tribal identity is “Christian”, then boom, you have an interpretation of Jesus that that contradicts everything Jesus is supposed to represent.

          But go ahead, tell us how they’re all the same.

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            no one said all christians are the same - though the differences are nominal at best, in my opinion - we simply said that all christians are christians

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              You said you see no difference, then when someone points out the difference, you say they’re not all the same. …

              Maga has warped into their own thing. You can even see it when the leader of Maga calls them [see article].

              Or see articles how Maga people are leaving their church because the church is not extreme enough.

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                I said the differences are nominal, meaning they don’t ultimately matter when you are living a life of magical thinking at the expense of those around you.

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                  Yeah you tried to cover it up when confronted.

                  See again how Magas are leaving their churches because the churches aren’t extreme enough.

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          There are limits. It’s perfectly fine to call out hypocrites. If I say I’m an atheist but strongly believe in God that would just be dumb.

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      I agreed with Trump twice recently.

      Once when he said he was being treated unfairly. I agree. It’s unfair that he gets to walk free when anyone else facing a fraction of his charges would be in jail awaiting trial.

      The second time was when he declared that the threat to America came from within. I agreed with this, but disagreed with the source. He meant the left, but the threat really comes from what he sees when he looks in a mirror (and his MAGA followers).

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    In his 1995 essay “Ur-Fascism”, cultural theorist Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology. …

    1. “Contempt for the weak”, which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

    See also:

    As Mr. Trump’s limo inched away from 30 Rockefeller Plaza, Hope Hicks, his not-yet-famous communications director, pointed at a group of fans running up Sixth Avenue in pursuit. “Look at these people,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s literally a little bit sad.” … “Oh, he talked all the time about the people themselves being disgusting,” Ms. Troye told me in an interview on Friday. “It was clear immediately that he wanted nothing to do with them.”

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      They won’t believe this anyway as it’s “a lie from a book, probably written by communist vermin.”

      Hell if it was a video of him saying it then it would be a “deepfake” or they would argue that hes talking about “liberal evangelicals.”

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        They’ve already rationalized supporting Trump by declaring that God is using Trump as a flawed vessel to bring about everything they want.

        Once you get that far, it’s not hard to justify anything else. Perhaps God had him say this as a test to see if anyone wasn’t truly committed to God and would abandon Trump. Only the truly faithful would ignore everything Trump says and does and support him blindly!

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    Evangelicals love a corrupt, abusive leader to lead them astray while fleecing their pockets.

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    He publicly said he ‘likes soldiers who didn’t get captured.’

    There’s nothing he can do to turn his people off.

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      Of course not, they’ve been trained to think that anything that contradicts their beliefs is “fake”.

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      In 2023, any trump loving evangelicals are too stupid/stubborn/brainwashed and will continue support. You can’t make stupid people smart, you can’t make bad people good. You can only figure out how to not let them take you down with them.

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      Why do you have to do this to me? Eight years I’ve had to hear about him constantly. If that keeps up after he’s dead I’m going to go live in the woods.