And what is the evidence for it being a Chinese spying platform? Is it owned by a Chinese company? Is there any hard evidence? Why is it so controversial?

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        They all suck, yeah. I think banning individual social media services is not the solution. The solution is to create meaningful laws that hold any company, Chinese or American, accountable for data privacy and misinformation/election interference violations.

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          Funny you say that, because Chinese apps like tiktok can’t ever be compliant with GDPR, and American ones are fully reliant on an executive order where Biden pinky swore to not use the Cloud Act against GDPR.

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          That wouldn’t solve the problem because the Chinese government is not bound by US law in China.

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              Yes, which doesn’t solve the problem because the problem is in China. The Chinese government can demand any information that ByteDance possesses. Under Chinese law, they are bound to comply and bound to deny that they were even asked under threat of extremely harsh punishment.

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                It does solve the problem at least as far as then you’d have legal standing to ban til too, and equally anything else that doesn’t follow the law

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                I would expect a meaningful data privacy law would involve forcing the client software to be audited to ensure they aren’t collecting the information in the first place?

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                  You’re conflating privacy and espionage. The reason basically every country in the world has laws about foreign ownership of media and telecommunications infrastructure is not because of privacy concerns – it’s because of the potential for espionage. That fanciful law with no chance of passing in the US (even if it should!) would reduce but not eliminate the problem. It’s illegal for China to operate weird little secret police stations in foreign countries to threaten, intimidate, and control the Chinese diaspora, but that hasn’t stopped them from doing it. Having them control powerful monitoring and tracking tools doesn’t make it harder. They are very capable of surreptitiously doing shit they shouldn’t.

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                    No I’m not conflating anything, you’re just moving the goalpost…

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                    accountable for data privacy and misinformation/election interference violations.

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                    ownership of media and telecommunication infrastructure

                    People can still do murder even though its illegal and most murderers are never caught, so we shouldn’t have laws making murder illegal because it doesn’t “solve” murder

                    would reduce not eliminate the problem

                    🙂 perfect is the enemy of good. I don’t think we’re going to “eliminate” espionage, something that has existed for all of written history…