What it says on the tin, really. I think this is going to be an issue when they get around to the smaller communities… It’s going to suck majorly, as most people’s default will remain with reddit for community discussion like this…
The “sacking” of the current moderator volunteers that I’ve seen in some news articles this morning leads me to the next step, which is if a moderator can be tossed, that’s a chilling effect for the next moderator and then, all the people who remain subscribed to that subreddit. I don’t know if that will actually happen this way, it will at least be a fascinating exploration to see how this all unfolds. Someone on Mastodon mentioned that Reddit makes no content of their own, it’s all volunteers, the public, and their 3rd-party toolset. That they are burning all of it and maintaining that everything will be fine in the end. Smells a lot like bravado and big-talk.
Oh, reddit will survive, it’ll just be even shittier than before. And maybe it’ll bounce back to somewhere close to what it was, but in the meantime, there’s now a growing viable alternative.
My recommendation for anyone who decides to visit reddit adopt a comment signature promoting startrek.website along with a link to a new user tutorial and a quick explanation of why we left. Keep picking them off and make our existence common knowledge over there.
I think this is a important take - as far as users are concerned Reddit merely hosts the content and the community, but as far as Reddit is concerned it owns the content and wants to monetise the community.
The problem for Reddit is the moderation is done by users who do it for free, mostly because they love their communities and want to keep them going. Those people are not easy to replace - plenty of communities shut because no one wanted to moderate them, and plenty of users just aren’t interested. So if they lose the moderators, there is a small pool of people to replace them and many of those may not be motivated in the same way. There will also be bad actors amongst those untested moderators.
Lose the moderators, and the communities fall apart as bad content, rule breaking and negative behaviour takes hold. The “content” becomes lost and the value of what reddit things it owns falls massively. An archive of old reddit comments is actually not worth much - sure people google things and find answers on Reddit - but it’s the current active users and daily content that draws people in.
I think Reddit is doomed as it is failing to understand it’s own business and what made the site successful.
Yup. An opinion writer in the Washington Post had a weird analogy yesterday, but it works — Reddit’s business model is almost the same as a thrift store’s. People donate stuff (clothes and furniture to Goodwill, analysis and humor to Reddit). Volunteers sort through it and throw out the bad stuff (volunteers at Goodwill, moderators at Reddit). And the business sells it (Reddit has one extra step here in that it sells ads, so it uses the donated-and-sorted stuff to build an audience to sell).
If the donators and the sorters walk, what do they have to sell?
That’s a good analogy, makes it easier to communicate Reddit’s business model and how messed up they are right now. Thanks for sharing!
That opinion peace helped me to understand what was different about this situation vs Twitter. The business model at Twitter is different. Twitter didn’t require communities with tremendous user investment to create a community, and by not realizing community was the differentiating aspect of Reddit, they didn’t understand how passionate people would be.
Splinter the community, I’m going to stay with the people who went through the mess of setting up a new place that isn’t beholden to Reddit. It may be forever smaller, but of the 600,000 subscribers, how many of them contribute?
It may be forever smaller
I would honestly consider this a feature, not a bug.
eh, it is what it is, and i’d say not really either. For now, probably nearly everyone that’s staying here is probably a contributing member, but if we continue building and promoting this community, then it will get to a sizeable number of lurkers. As long as we don’t attract bad actors, or bad actors are dealt with swiftly, it’s all good.
yeah we gotta grow this community. And wait for reddit to make the next mistake that will drive people here.
For sure. If this community stagnates, it will eventually die of attrition.
Most social media runs by the 90/9/1 rule. 90% of users lurk, 9% of users post, 1% of users produce content.
I’m hoping that this house cleaning changes those numbers up some.
I know that a lot of people are afraid to post. They may not believe that they have anything interesting to say. And they may not trust their ability to write coherently. Some of you folks are intimidatingly good at writing insightful posts and making it understandable to everybody.
Maybe with a smaller community we can encourage more people to take part and, paradoxically, become more diverse.
I’d also like to encourage everybody to attempt to post something interesting. A pet theory. A reinterpretation of a scene. It doesn’t really matter. You can only get better by doing and we all benefit from new ideas. Don’t be afraid to sound like a fool. It’s kinda my default state and I’m still here.
I’d also like to encourage everybody to attempt to post something interesting. A pet theory. A reinterpretation of a scene. It doesn’t really matter. You can only get better by doing and we all benefit from new ideas. Don’t be afraid to sound like a fool. It’s kinda my default state and I’m still here.
How about we post some of our favorite quotes from the series? Here’s some of mine :p
“Use the force, Kirk.”
“Help me, Spock. You’re my only hope.”
“Beam me up, Skywalker!”
“This isn’t the Data you’re looking for. Move along.”
“To boldly go where no Jedi has gone before”
“You’ve never heard of the Enterprise? … It’s the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.”
“Set sabers to stun!”
As much as I support the protest and no longer want to use Reddit, people with that opinion are probably a small minority. If people want to stay on Reddit despite everything, that’s up to them in the end. Reddit won’t be the same, and some subs will be a shadow of their former selves when they lose the mods, but people are allowed to stay if they want.
It seems to me mods should be resigning and moving elsewhere if they want to. Reddit is not going to change tack. By all means do everything to let them know how shitty they’ve been (delete your account and all posts if you want). But also let people try to take over and keep things going if that’s what they want.
Federated social media is the future (I hope). Unless the community controls the platform, similar problems will keep happening.
I think it won’t be overnight, but there’s probably a sea change coming where more and more people are getting fed up with gigantic centralized platforms and all the manipulation and trolling that the companies operating them are all too happy to let go on. I seriously doubt the mods are going to get their way on Reddit, but I suspect it’s going to get even less worth visiting from here on out.
I agree with the sea change. The reason we started an instance as opposed to just joining another is that we wanted to help that change along by providing a familiar community to a group of people statistically more likely to be both nerdy and optimistic about the future.
Yeah, and I think it was a wonderful move. Star Trek is nerdy but also approachable to a wide range of people so I think it is a perfect early adopter of lemmy.
Star Trek was very over-represented on usenet boards back in the 90s, so it seems appropriate that it would have an early presence on this new frontier.
I would love to read an article about this, that would be a cool article, connecting the vibes of usenet startrek to fediverse star trek!
