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        Sure, I take my family on vacations via airlines run by capitalists who fly airplanes built by capitalists. I like to sit in a bar that is privately owned by capitalists and chit chat over a beer that was brewed, bottled and distributed by capitalists.

        Sure, I’m missing out on all the socializing that communists have time for when they are waiting in bread lines. But hey you can’t have everything.

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            I live in a capitalist society. The shelves are well stocked with multiple brands of affordable toilet paper that I can buy with a stable currency.

            If you live in some commie shithole that can’t keep shelves stocked let alone food on the table I can see why you might think that.

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          Person is already dead inside. They “have a family” but are acting like a teenager - speaks for itself…

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              Thanks for calling me on the shoddy rhetoric. The person I was replying to claims to have a family while themselves providing a typical teenage retort, thereby failing to act maturely, which is what one would expect from a decent parent. Any better? Still too ad hominem?

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                who said anything about ad hominems? or shoddy rhetoric? you’re calling them a teenager while using the phrase “speaks for itself”, which is a pretty immature phrase. And then you dress up your language for the reply to me to sound more mature? sounds like someone who’s stuck in adolescence and pining for “adulthood” to me.

                inb4 “thanks internet psychoanalyst, sugondese”

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                    Not for someone trying to sound like an adult. an intelligent adult knows that no one really knows much of anything and searches for the answers instead of just giving up and saying “meh, guess it’s self evident and speaks for itself”. it’s pretty cocky and immature to have that kind of attitude. “says who” you ask? guess it just speaks for itself. 🤷‍♀️

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            Not quite, I made a bland general comment to troll on a bland general post. My intention was to trigger some commies. Judging by the comments I’d say it was a success.

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                I love it when these people burn themselves by being stupid, annoying pricks. If they get enough negative feedback, they just say they were “triggering” people on purpose. Then they congratulate themselves on their brilliant, flawless, and totally original tactics. It’s the same routine every goddam time.

                I can appreciate a joke at my expense if it’s even remotely clever, but this is just pathetic and tired. It’s 2023, ffs. Somebody needs to come up with a new trolling script.

                I hope that these are young kids who will outgrow this shit and move on. I know that’s not true in every case, though.

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                No not a prank. A prank would indicate I wasn’t serious about my actions and want to apologize.

                I’ve been pretty up front that I wanted to trigger some commies. I also take nothing back and apologize for nothing.

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        My man, capital was expended developing the technology underpinning those devices. It was expended building the tools and sourcing the materials that went onto the device that the workers built. Capital was expended paying the workers for the time they took making the devices and bringing the device to market to sell.

        Labor and capital are needed to function. Both can be true at the same time.

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          Then the capitalist should only be entitled to recuperate their initial investment + whatever personal effort they put in.

          How can it be the capitalist captures profit many years after those first two occurred?

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            How would you manage risk?

            The capitalists invest their profits in new ventures. Good capitalists choose often what is needed, bad capitalists constantly lose money and stop being capitalists.

            You want to reward good decisions. So those with profitable investments should get all returns so that they can make more good investments.

            So don’t set a limit but tax their income proportionally.

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          That capital is created by the workers. It is extracted from them unjustly by capitalists, and then they claim they are responsible for the creation of everything just because they direct that stolen capital.

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          Public capital. The smartphone is the culmination point of billions and billions of government “aimless” r&d for half a century.

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      It was made by inventors and workers. The capitalists own the company. They don’t create.

      You are not a capitalist.

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        “Capital”… You keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.

        What is it that Investors invest? Could it be capital? Investors also tend to have ownership of the company.

        Funny I thought a good education was one of the benefits of communism.

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          And why should they? What makes investors special beyond “having lots of money”

          Why should workers forfeit their labor at a fraction of its actual value to line the accounts of people who won the birth lottery?

          Investors did not invent the product, they did not design it’s manufacturing process, they did not acquire materials or even the land upon which the factory is built. And yet, they reap all the profits.

          There’s a simpler way

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          If you think “capitalism” just means that money exists, then you’ve completely misunderstood the concept

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      We can have nice things without crushing levels of inequality orders of magnitude higher than humans have ever known at any point in history.

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      The best response. So common it’s hard to tell if it’s a real response people believe.

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      Give it up. These people are living the benefits of a century of capitalism. Now that it’s going down the shitter, the idea has, somehow, always been evil.

      I figure it’s a bunch of kids who haven’t got the notion that any form of economy is, has and will be corrupted by humans.

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        Global capitalism is a very, very, very recent occurrence historically.

        We went from a merchant-style sort of economy to capitalism almost overnight.

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          And in this merchant-style sort of economy, the rich weren’t an order of magnitude richer than the poor, and profiting off their backs?

          FFS, monkeys quickly figure out how to trade “money” for sex. World’s oldest profession anyone? We’re no different. Capitalism just perfected it.

          Capitalism is just dandy, with some serious government oversight. Problem being, how do you stop the overseers from getting rich legislating the oversight? Same problem in any economic policy.

          Kinda funny thought I had in my 20’s. The only way to truly get rich is by getting other people working for you. Never pursued that line of work, just not me, can’t do it. But it’s still true and always will be, no matter the economics.