I’m just sick of Reddit.
The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.
However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc …, snuck inbetween of the community posts I’m actually interested in.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
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Just mention lemmy from time to time on other platforms; not to say “please come here”, but rather just to let people know that lemmy exists and has interesting stuff on it. People will check it out if they are interested.
Why bother?
Reddit isn’t Lemmy. Lemmy is Lemmy.
Enjoy who’s here. Hi. I’m GhiLA.
Asking people to do something will never work, telling people how something is better will trigger their curiosity to at least take a look.
I’m honestly not sure I want the majority of reddit users coming to lemmy. Especially as a woman. There’s just so much more nastiness on reddit. I get that sometimes the content on Lemmy slows down or gets stale, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay to avoid people with chronic interpersonal problems and no healthy emotional outlet. I think every exchange I’ve had on Lemmy has at least been respectful and I can’t recall ever feeling that way on reddit.
That has not always been my experience, although I can see why you on Lemmy.World would say so (bc it defederates from lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, where most of the hostility across the Fediverse concentrates), but indeed the average interaction here is much more positive than on Reddit (even though the worst, e.g. if you ever comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net, is significantly more negative than Reddit ever was allowed to become by the admins).
You can’t be that sick of it if you want even let go of the place.
can’t. the ones that are still there wouldn’t understand how to use lemmy and the fediverse and they’ll just bash for the same reasons that bsky users bash mastodon. They want things to “just work” out of the box and are too lazy to figure things out.
“… too lazy to figure things out.” Yup, just like when somebody calls a plumber, or a mechanic or a therapist. Stop being lazy and master something in a field where you have no experience or desire to learn.
Not really the problem, some mods just bury threads about it, you can see an arrogant mod from self-host subreddit in a thread, attempt to plead to move elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ (this was a week ago) You can see why some still didn’t by the replies, and lack of understanding how to use Lemmy isn’t one of them.
Which communities? I personally find most of my favorite communities to be better in lemmy than on Reddit, with a few exceptions.
A few niche examples:
/r/generative /r/musicians /r/wildernessbackpacking /r/tropicalweather /r/analogcommunity /r/heavymind
Good luck convincing the non-technical users there to come here. This place is currently great for interests catered to programmers and sysadmins (speaking as one!), but artist and hobby communities are seriously lacking.
If the community doesn’t exist, have you tried creating one?
If it does exist, have you tried posting there?
Believe me or not that’s how it starts.
Buildapcsales gamedeals boardgamedeals etc. it was nice when they still have Api access because you could track prices.
Anything niche by computer geek standards So, like, anything from normie interests to things that are so niche that you need 30 million MAU to have an active space.
Well there are some video game ones.
If the community doesn’t exist, have you tried creating one?
If it does exist, have you tried posting there?
Believe me or not that’s how it starts.
I’ve thought about it…
Why? So moderators can come here and ban you from their communities if you don’t agree with their biased bullshit and politics? No thank you
Mods can’t ban you from their fediverse community. You could just post from another site. It is why fediverse is superior to reddit.
That’s considered ban evasion by a lot of mods
What’s your point? Ban “evasion” is a feature of fediverse, not a bug. In the fediverse, you are immune from rando-bans.
Anybody who really does deserve to be banned, will repeat the behaviour that got them banned. So for those people there is no point with ban “evasion”.
I’m just sick of Reddit.
How can we convince the people over there to move away?
I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There’s this sentiment that reddit sucks and it’s nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.
I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the “good” parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn’t going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that’s the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.
I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn’t, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that’s why people spend so much time doomscrolling.
What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn’t an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that’s silly.
No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we’re cool, they’ll show up.
“Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?”
We simply don’t need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that’s just fine.
Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago
I mean it’s not THAT good, but it’s sure better than Reddit today.
@fmstrat @FrostyTrichs My problem with both Reddit and Lemmy is that they don’t let people delete their posts entirely. I liked Reddit until I learned this. It’s a basic feature that I don’t understand not including.
Reddit took the time to get these communities going…
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
Therefore, I think Lemmy is already a few steps ahead, due to the existing familiarity how communities/subs are supposed to be used.
So it’s not we’re starting from scratch… It’s just getting rid of the annoyances of Reddit.
Take Mastodon/BlueSky as an example. People are already familiar withbthe concept of how to use it.
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same. Lemmy is missing many of the tools reddit has come to depend on for things like moderation and community engagement. The idea is the same but the framework is different and that comes with its own challenges.
Lemmy is a good enough platform for now and for future growth. It wasn’t a drop in replacement for reddit when the exodus happened and it isn’t a drop in replacement now, but it’s closer. There are still lots of little things- quality of life improvements, moderation improvements, discovery improvements, etc that need to be tuned or fixed before Lemmy is ready to shoulder millions of active users, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t worthy of the effort today.
The beautiful part of the fediverse is we’re all free to form our own ideas about how it’s best grown and supported. If there’s something you are passionate about there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss. It all takes time, and individual and group efforts.
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Change your default sort.
If federation works the way it’s claimed to, then if we migrate even the bad parts of reddit here it should be fine.
Lemmy is turning into an elitist cesspool.
We don’t. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.
It can be frustrating to go from a thriving niche subreddit to a new venue without anyone to populate those niche communities. Outside of ML, FOSS, and Star Trek, most of the niche communities are ghost towns.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting convincing AskReddit or /r/memes to migrate. I think they’re mostly targeting /r/ObscureInterestYou’veProbablyNeverHeardOf.
Advertise one instance instead of just saying “join lemmy”
Blaze is doing precisely that - recommending lemm.ee, several initial communities to check out, the Voyager app, etc.
Edit: A major downside to recommending lemm.ee though is that it federates with literally all of the big 3. So someone can walk into e.g. chapotraphouse@hexbear.net without knowing the first thing about what to expect there, followed promptly by leaving Lemmy altogether. Due to lemm.ee’s approach of making everything “opt-out” rather than “opt-in” it takes quite a bit of catching up to understand things e.g. what “instances” are and how to block users from them (Pro-Tip: in either base Lemmy or Voyager, you literally cannot do it, though PieFed, Sync, or Connect each offer that capability). It’s a bit like having an email account that offers no spam filtering!? Which is fine if that’s what people want but doesn’t seem geared for “mainstream” Redditors who want to come here “casually”.
For those, if PieFed was a bit better developed in its UI it would be perfect. Lemmy.cafe also looks like a great option (Tesseract on dubvee.org too except I think it’s only a single admin, and yet quite impressive nonetheless, though toxic people from Reddit would have a terrible & short-lived time there hehe:-P).
As I’ve been using lemmy.cafe for a while now, I might switch to it as my “curious new joiner” recommendation.
Assuming it is stable (there was some question about that due to its running beta software?), that sounds like a great idea!:-)
Nothing will ever be perfect ofc, and surely there are tons of alt accounts on Lemmy.World and elsewhere, but that seems like it would help ease people more gently into Lemmy, without having to endure as much culture shock as seeing e.g. the anti-Western posts constantly streaming out from the big 3.
Especially for a more “mainstream” audience - e.g. expecting things to “just work” - from Reddit and even more so people who merely search the internet.
And then if people really WANT to see literally everything, there’s always lemm.ee that seems legit great for someone who knows that going in.
PieFed seems even more ideal in terms of this functionality but… its UI definitely needs more than a little polish before it’s fully mainstream.
I don’t know how you have time to do so much to help build this place, but I am enthused to see it nonetheless!:-)
id go a step further and say you need to draw a sub to a specific community. its hard moving users though when reddit actually attempts to prevent it by banning you for trying.
But wouldn’t advertising one instance backfire and lead to huge server loads on that instance?
That’s not a problem you have to worry about right now, it’s more so not enough people are trying out the platform.
Recommending the instance you’re on Lemm.ee is the way to go.
There needs to be less one sided group think, but I’m not sure that’s even possible anymore at this point. Just look at the US and how they voted this year. None of those voters want to be on this super woke platform. The population on here are the minority and just need to get used to it.
What does ‘woke’ mean?
Constant in your face awareness of social inequalities would be my charitable definition.
Well if that’s the definition that doesn’t sound so bad. You’re saying that you don’t like being reminded of the truth too often.
The problem with ‘woke’ is that it is too vague to be meaningful.
No, I can’t stand everybody being offended about everything.
I’m fine with people being offended as long as it is something legit to be offended about. Sometimes people are offended by legit things and sometimes not. That’s why “woke” is to vague to be meaningful. I have to hear the specific thing to know whether I agree/disagree.
I think how fragmented lemmy is hurts it. I enjoy Mastodon more, because it doesn’t matter what server a person uses, you have but a single feed of all the people you follow.
But here on lemmy, every server has its own communities and might even be having the same conversations apart from each other. While reddit is a giant single space for each conversation.
If there was a way to unite feeds so that, for example, /c/gaming gave you posts from every community /c/gaming you are subscribed to or federated with (or /m/gaming for us mbin folks). I think we could really see a proper exodus from reddit as it becomes proper alternative.
and of course, the classic lemmy experience would remain for those that don’t want to do that. Much like old.reddit remained strong in the face of the site remake.
EDIT: Maybe what we need instead is multi-reddits. Custom made aggregate feeds made by the user, so you have full control over your aggregated feed. And they don’t need to have the same names in that case.
That fragmentation annoyed me too at the beginning, until somenoe tokd me something along the lines.
“It’s like different reddit subs with each hsving their own mods and rules”…
So /c/gaming on instance A, and /c/gaming on instance B, would be like /r/gaming and /r/gamingfornoobs.
That’s a good point. By each being its own server with own own rules and mods, my idea would make it harder on mods of the communities if people are not even aware of where they are posting.
Does your interface not show the instance with the community name?
I meant that as an extension to my original comment asking for all communities with the same name from different instances to show up in a mixed feed.
all communities with the same name from different instances to show up in a mixed feed.
That’s what usenet does.
Engage with communities here. The politics and tech communities are lively enough, but niche communities are lacking. Give people a reason to come here who aren’t politics/tech junkies.
