Credit Andy Singer 2024

  • Flax@feddit.uk
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    2 months ago

    As someone who’s been referred to on here as a “Christian fundamentalist”, I struggle to see the theological justification for either of these events. Although I probably don’t have much to say in regards to these Jews as it’s a different religion, but I don’t understand why some Christians are obsessed with Israel and specifically these Jews having it.

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      2 months ago

      It’s kind of disingenuous.

      It portrays Orthodox Jewishness as being responsible for genocidal Zionism when Orthodox Jewishness has pretty much always been vehemently critical of both Zionism and the creation of Israel.

      The Jewish Zionists that perpetrated the Nakba looked no different than their fellow Europeans.

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          2 months ago

          It’s a very important point, considering that the crux of all the white supremacist propaganda we’ve been fed about Israel rests on the idea that Israel (somehow) “represents” Jewishness… and I’d say this plays right into the hasbara’s hands.

    • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
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      2 months ago

      Which hardly matters when people are taking the homes of people living there currently and killing them. What difference does it make if some of someone’s ancestors centuries ago lived in that general part of the world?

      You could justify European colonialism in Africa under similar logic, on the grounds that since humans evolved there before spreading out to the rest of the world, all Europeans have ancestors that lived on that continent at some point in the past and would merely be “reclaiming” it.

  • Landslide7648@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    This is dumb propaganda on so many levels. Zionism isn’t a religious movement. Israelis are not primarily white. This equation is just dumb af

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    2 months ago

    The situation isn’t comparable. The majority of Jews in Israel are not European (or from anywhere else), they’re native Israeli and they trace their roots to Israel back for millennia.

    The problem is not that Israelis want to live there. They have a right to live there. The problem is that they’re depriving Palestinians of their right to live there instead of seeking peaceful coexistence.

      • s_s@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Arab counties shipped Jews to Palestine after they decided to kick them out of their own countries.

        Where are the Jews supposed to go?

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          2 months ago

          Little thought expiriment for you: maybe segregating an entire class of people into one secluded corner of the world is fucking stupid? Maybe taking something that requires the murder of thousands or millions isn’t worth the price?

          • s_s@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            So you refuse to answer my question.

            Right.

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              2 months ago

              The answer, which clearly wasnt obvious to you, was literally fucking anywhere and everywhere including where they are now in Israel: just stop treating Palestinians like dirt and second class citizens and the problems will all go away with time.

              PM Rabin would have already sorted this shit out, but somebody had him killed and now all bets have been placed on Netan-fucking-yahu for some stupid fucking reason (for 2 decades at that).

    • Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com
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      2 months ago

      I’d hope its to convince the government of Israel to get rid of corrupt leader Netanyahu, and to work towards an equitable two state peace agreement with an independent Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza.

      Or failing that, to convince people that unconditional support of the current Israeli government is bad, actually. Something many Israeli themselves believe (not to mention non-Israeli Jews).