"The election of Donald Trump has sparked a surge of interest in the United States in South Korea’s 4B movement, a radical feminist crusade that preaches the four B’s: bi-hon (no marriage), bi-yeonae (no dating), bi-sekseu (no sex) and bi-chulsan (no childbirth),” the Los Angeles Times reports.
“Since Nov. 5, there have been more than 500,000 Google searches for ‘4b movement,’ while on TikTok, Instagram and X, support for the cause has been trending among young women voters who are vowing to swear off men.”
I’m not following the logic here. The only thing I can see is it would drive a wedge between feminists and sympathetic men. Seems like the sort of thing that would only make sense to someone uninterested in men or withdrawing from the guy they are with.
If someone has a take I’m missing, I’m all ears. I’m married 15 years and I don’t have a dog in the fight, so if I’m wrong just explain how.
If you were a woman in today’s world, why would you take the risk of dating someone who can rape, impregnate, and either leave or stay and dominate your life?
The reality is that tender, gentle, trusting relationships will still form… and the rest of the men will have to decide whether to try to be better men or not.
It makes sense to me to not date men who won’t stand up for your rights, but that’s not my read of 4B.
How do you know you’re with one of those men, really? What happens when they change their tune?
A lot of men will say whatever they need to so they can get laid. Or think they really believe it until the relationship is threatened.
It’s not that women can’t do all that too but that women now have less ways to extricate themselves from such relationships.
Why risk it?
A lot of men will say whatever they need to so they can get laid.
There is a word for people who make this sort of negative stereotyping of a whole sex.
Just FYI, there is strong terf energy in this movement if you look into its primary supporters. I’m all for withholding from men who don’t support your basic human rights, that is literally why the curve from young men to mid 20s and early 30s drastically shift left, but be careful about your associations.
This idea is so stupid, in my opinion. Liberal women are likely with liberal partners—they will be punishing their allies. Punishing allied men for things that other people have done is a good way to radicalize them into becoming republicans.
The more we solve our problems by withdrawing from each other and punishing each other, especially those who are not the direct cause of our problems, the more we exacerbate the division in this country.
The only people who should be withholding sex from loving partners when they would otherwise be interested are people who are sleeping with a Musk or a Trump. Everyone else is just causing more hurt with no positive outcome.
It’s to protect against pregnancy in an environment where women’s rights have been eroded.
If Project 2025 takes away abortion rights and even contraceptives, sex becomes a really big risk.
The movement is to deny sex, not specifically to deny pregnancy. If it was about that, then sterile men and women would be excluded from this movement, but there is no mention of that at all. It’s just “swear off men, swear off sex”.
There’s what is stated and what is implied. In the absence of any sort of formal or “official” organization, participants get to choose their own level of involvement.
I often refer to “birthstrike” as a conceptually similar and related group.
Makes a lot of sense. Think about it this way: there’s a slightly better than 50 percent chance that the random dude you walked past on the street voluntarily chose to vote against your most basic rights as a person. Why the fuck would you go near them again, let alone let them touch you without some serious national reconciliation?
Why does everyone in the internet ignore that turnout was 60%??
The reality is that around 30% of americans voted for trump
By not voting, the other 40% helped put Trump in office. When the trolly is heading down the tracks to kill the lady in distress, sitting on your ass and doing nothing makes you complicit.
trolly
I hate to break it to you, but Democrats are also genocidal and through a combination of their policies and incompetence (charitable reading) created the situation which led to trump getting elected. Twice.
Here’s what actually works for getting a trolley to stop running over people:
I understand why they’re doing this, but Magoos are going to be laughing their asses off absolutely loving this. In their minds they wouldn’t want “a blue haired bisexual cat lady” anyway so to them the only people getting “hurt” are liberal guys who would be these women’s allies anyway.
Naturally they aren’t considering the actual safety aspect of it since they don’t give a shit… God I hate those people… :(
Actual feminist and liberal guys should be understanding and supportive of women’s sexual/dating choices anyway. If they aren’t, then what kind of ally are they?
