Summary
In Wayne County, Arab American precincts rejected Kamala Harris, with Biden receiving 82% of the vote in 2020 and Harris only 23% in 2024.
Trump’s outreach to Arab American and Muslim communities, including visits to Dearborn and Hamtramck, contributed to his increased support.
Harris’s performance in Dearborn, where she received only 13% of the vote in the south end, reflects the backlash against Biden’s handling of foreign policy in the Middle East.
they only care about themselves, and their misguided belief that they are ‘doing the right thing’ and ‘paying back’ biden.
if they cared at all about gaza, about the west bank, about palestine and its people, they would have come out in force, and in support of democrats from coast to coast. anything to prevent another trump presidency.
trump was never on their side and will let israel do whatever they want.
just like he’ll let russia do whatever they want and ukraine will cease to exist. protest votes, like those in michigan, helped doom ukraine, too.
Harris could’ve fixed that by promising not to blow up Palestine. This is purely on her and Biden for being unelectable, not on people refusing to vote for someone who will wipe them out
So allow the candidate to supercharge the extermination to win? That’s one helluva strategy. Certainly one way to try and shift the blame to one side when there’s plenty to go around for both dems and the uncommitted
Yet you only ever complain about how “the uncommitted” are the problem, and never dems 🤔
Having trouble reading my comment, buddy? I literally said “uncommitted and dems”. Both are trying to blame the other, when in reality both have played a hand. No one’s hands are clean in this
You’re not any less obvious than someone who sees “fuck nazis” and says “fuck nazis AND communists”. Your problem isn’t liberals, hence why you never complain about them and only complain about others, despite claiming both are at fault. If yall liberals really still think leftists believe any of your transparent lies, you’re very mistaken
Wait are you even a liberal? I decided to check your profile for the basic libshit but this thread is the only thing you’ve interacted with, sorry if I incorrectly assumed you’re a liberal
You had a big argument with someone not because of what they said but because of what you believed that also believed?! Now you think they believe something different it’s all OK? Weird.
You’re an idiot.
not on people refusing to vote for someone who will wipe them out
Man I totally forgot Trump is actually a peace loving, human-rights respecting person and totally won’t give Israel a blank check. Can’t wait for the news article about how Trump’s totally gonna get Israel to stop!
Good thing we didn’t vote in BlUe MagA right guys?
I’m afraid these guys are incapable of complex morale situations, not understanding how the lines are blurred in most situations. They just want everything to be good or bad, nothing in between.
Let’s not stop the genocide, instead let’s advocate for lil genocide. It’s a compromise with BIG genocide. Oh no, that plan didn’t work, the people who wanted genocide voted for big genocide. And the people who wanted no genocide didn’t vote. Damn those no genocide voters, don’t they know that a lil genocide is better than big genocide?
I will learn nothing from this and do it again.
Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = “lil genocide”.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
“Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
“Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”
“Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”
Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?
Mhm mhm. Now find me one of them saying they will stop sending Israel weapons.
“Please stop committing the Holocaust Germany. Btw here is a new batch of missiles to fight Poland”
Harris refused to take a stand against Israel so why should they vote for her?
Why are they selfish? Because they didn’t vote how YOU wanted? Who’s being selfish here?
This is the thing I can stand least about liberals. They’re the smartest, most moral people in the world and anyone who doesn’t vote their way for any reason is stupid and bad
“Voting 3rd party or sitting out during the election basically cedes the election to one of two parties. We should at least choose the party that has a better chance to be swayed against genocide than the one who openly advocates for the genociders to ‘finish the job’”
“L1b3RaL!!1!a”
I’m not saying liberals are the smartest and most moral people, they definitely aren’t. But dismissing reality of the American political system and the almost certain likelihood of the US presidential election to vote for neither of the two main parties and expecting something good to come out of it is pretty telling to one’s critical thinking skills.
I expect nothing good to come from voting 🤷
Great, so you’re part of the problem just like the democrats are 👍
I voted for Dems to defund the war in 06. They didn’t. I voted for Obama to bring troops home, close Guantanamo, and give us a public option in 08. He didn’t. So what’s the point of voting for the the winner???
Welcome to the reality of politics. Don’t like it? You have a few options: Get involved in activism, or run for office yourself by starting at the local level and work your way up. Want a formidable 3rd left-leaning party? Bolster the numbers of SPUSA, SPA, or any other ones that flew under the radar. We can also organize ways to kick the milquetoast centrists and moderate-right out of the democratic party. Hell, I wouldn’t be opposed to muddying the waters among Republicans since there’s already a lot of pushback regarding trumps choices for cabinet members and such.
Whining about every problems without finding solutions makes you sound immature and pathetic. If it really bothers you, action speaks louder than words. Do something about it.
Too many people in this thread think they know better about the average voter. Most Americans don’t actually give a shit about politics. It’s getting them to care is the problem. Most people in the USA are too fucking stupid for their own good. Most of the people in this thread are too sensitive to realize they are part of the problem. Arab Americans aren’t directly responsible for Trump’s win but they contributed to it by holding out their votes on a single issue. If both candidates were literally the same as each other besides their stance on Gaza then I can see the logic of not voting for one over the other or abstaining. This was not the case. Most of you trying to act like Harris should have come out and promise to personally stop the genocide don’t realize that the Jewish population in America controls more money, power and influence than the Arab vote. So both sides are going to go out of their way to support Israel. You pearl clutchers don’t get this.
That’s a roundabout way to say you consider them selfish for not voting for a candidate they believe will keep the genocide of their relatives going.
You want to consider both sides the same when they are not. Are Democrats perfect? No. Are they a better alternative? Yes. Setting aside the ongoing issue of Israel and Palestine and whether or not either state should exist (Hint: it’s likely neither, but Israel does have a more historical claim), the issue WITHIN AMERICA is that Trump and his cronies want to install a slew of right wing fascists into positions of power WITHIN AMERICA. Yet stupid assholes like you want to concern yourself with whats going on in a foreign country when shit is going bad right here. Get your head out of your ass.
Setting aside the exact issue we’re talking about?
No.
And no, having left an area 2,000 years ago does not give you the right to genocide the people who stayed.
Go read about it then. Sorry not sorry that Jews, Egyptians, Italians, French and English have a greater claim to the area than any Arab speaking peoples, Palestinian or otherwise. If you want to ignore history then just shut the fuck up.
Oh wow mask came off
This is crazy because typically Republicans are more supportive of Israel…
To Arabs with families in Gaza the worst is already happening. Entire branches of families have been wiped out. Trump quite literally can not be any worse for them than Biden. And Harris failed to meaningfully distance herself from Biden’s policies on Gaza. So they stayed home. This isn’t shocking, it’s an entirely human response.
You’re welcome to hold an opinion. I could have believed you were ill informed and not actively acting in bad faith.
You continued responding after this comment was posted illustrating how you were actively lying and trying to subvert the facts.
https://midwest.social/post/19205574/13516874
It’s very clear from those paying attention she did take a different position from the same as Trump.
Stop lying.
First of all I’m not omniscient. I don’t see everything that’s posted. But please go read what I said again. I did not say I believed her stance to be the same as Biden’s. I said she failed to meaningfully separate herself from Biden’s policies.
She said the exact same thing Biden was saying while he was sending 2,000 pound bombs to Israel.
And Jordanlund is wrong about the “defensive” weapons. The only defensive thing we send is the iron dome missiles. We also send everything from bullets to tank shells to plane bombs. None of which are purely defensive.
She could have used messaging along the lines of, “I believe our military aid requires more stringent investigations into units receiving it.” But for whatever reason she didn’t. The pro Palestinian lobby was very clear about what they wanted to hear from her in order to vote for her and she did not meet that bar.
