The bitter fight between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Rep. Byron Donalds over a line about slavery in the state’s revised African American history standards is infuriating several prominent Black conservatives.

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    I don’t understand black republicans at all. It’s just as crazy as gay or trans republicans- I wanna be like “dude, your party fucking hates you”. How do they not see it?

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        The poor ones think they’re one Repub presidency away from all being richer, but those GOT DAM DEMONRATS keep ruining it for em.

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      Any persecuted minority group who are republicans is just absolutely baffling to me…best I can come up with is that it’s god-level Stockholm syndrome.

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      The republican party is the party of single issue voters. I’d bet a large majority of their base wouldn’t vote for them if they didn’t support their one wedge issue that they won’t budge on for anything. It lets people excuse a lot of bullshit if they can just propel their personal cause forward.

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        I don’t think they hate themselves. They just hate other things that republicans also hate. They hate poor people, gay people and trans people enough that they are willing to take some hits to themselves as long as it hits the other groups harder.

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          I don’t know, I think that still counts as self-hatred, in a way. You have to be some special kind of fucked up to hate another group of people so intensely that you’d voluntarily wade knee-deep in shit just to shove them in down to their shoulders.

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            You have to be some special kind of fucked up to hate another group of people so intensely that you’d voluntarily wade knee-deep in shit just to shove them in down to their shoulders.

            Ah yes, the foundation of the current Republican Party.

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            Minorities in politics are always going to be experiencing a completely different live than the average person. They live in their nice big house in their gated community and probably face little to no racism irl. They just don’t care.

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      crazy

      That’s the key word, right there. In South Carolina, both Nikki Haley and Tim Scott of the GOP want to be president. One is a second generation American woman of SE Asian descent, and the other is an African American man.

      To me there’s nothing wrong with any of that, but then again I’m not a Republican. And that is the core of the issue. They literally think they are personally somehow exempt from the basic tenets of their party.

      Neither will win, both are completely fucking deluded about what drives their constituents and overlords, even as they both imagine that they actually have a lasting and meaningful seat at that table, and both are likely to be in actual physical danger whenever fascism reaches full bloom and the real knives come out.

      The Log Cabin Republicans, as crazy and self-deluded as they are, ain’t got nuthin’ on these two.

      If I could read either or both of them an informative bedtime story, one that would help them understand what is coming, their place in it, how that makes their beliefs an untenable dilemma, and how to frame their political decisions going forward, it would be a tale about the life and death of Ernst Röhm, an openly gay Nazi who also operated under a very similar delusion . . . until he was forcibly disabused of it, which was coincidentally the last night of his life. And Röhm was just gay, something right-wingers think is a choice that can be changed, not a skin color or gender that can’t be. The GOP will use anyone, until they don’t.

      But then again, I probably wouldn’t waste my breath, because crazy.

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        Neither will win, both are completely fucking deluded about what drives their constituents and overlords, even as they both imagine that they actually have a lasting and meaningful seat at that table, and both are likely to be in actual physical danger whenever fascism reaches full bloom and the real knives come out.

        I don’t they understand just how difficult it would be for them to win. Enough people will sit out the election who would vote otherwise because the candidate is nonwhite or a woman.

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          That is absolutely true, but the problem is that both of them won lesser state elections and think that means far more than it does.

          Nikki Haley was governor of South Carolina prior to joining Trump’s administration, and Tim Scott is a South Carolina state senator, so they both believe that means the GOP is inclusive and will let one of them have the top job.

          Heh, NO. You are so right.

          What they don’t understand is that every “real boss” (the president, and of course a white male) needs secretaries and janitors and people who can raise cash for the party. That is what state politicians are to the Republican party, so the GOP doesn’t mind letting women and people of color win locally, because it keeps the constituents happy and the façade of inclusivity intact.

          But the top job, or anywhere near it? Absolutely not. Look how they lost their collective minds when Barack Obama, a demonstrably capable (and IMO excellent) leader was elected. The shrieking and hood gathering in response hasn’t stopped yet.

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      Maybe it’s a form of masochism? Maybe they miss the hatred and “wish you didn’t exist” they got from their parents?

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      It’s mostly religion. I find it strange how hard some African Americans took to Masters religion.

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        This is like, a really patronizing comment? As if black people cannot form their own beliefs, the only way a black person could be christian is if “master” told them to.

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          Every tragedy has an origin story. A lot of Slave owners felt it was their moral duty to civilize their property by teaching them Christianity. The tragedy is the death of whichever West African religion was stolen from them along with their freedom and agency.

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        That’s what happens when children are taken away from their parents and indoctrinated into Christianity when they’re too young to know any better. Same with Indigenous Americans. Erase their culture and their language and make them Christians by taking their children away and raising them the white way.

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        Because Christianity played a major part in helping black people overcome slavery and united them together?

        Also all Civil Rights movements in America started in the Protestant Church

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          Awesome!

          Could you tell us how many of the slave owners and their supporters (so in favor of slavery) were christian?

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            I can tell you 80% of black people are Christian right now, so you’re insulting 80% of black people and their religious belief

            How would you like it if I insulted Jewish people and their belief? Muslims?

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              Oh, so christianity gets a pass then? Just because you start to wave a despicable race card in our faces? To use people of color as a firewall for a religion of pure hate is unteal and tells me all I need to know about you. But wait, you have shown us more!

              Jewish and Muslims , there we are. You are in no doubt a heartbeat away from going racist and fascist. Not a huge surprise for a person supporting christianity, a religion at the forefront of most heinous acts in history.

              Glad you have dropped the christian mask and shown us what christians do when you show them their cult was in the wrong.

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                Please do not belittle other peoples religious beliefs and customs. Thank you.

                Everyone in the United States of America is free to practice their religious beliefs, it is against the ideals of Basic Human Rights to deny anyone that right, especially here in America. If 80% of Black Americans are Christians then I believe it is only appropriate, and in accordance with the ideals of a free democratic society, to respect that belief, not to dehumanize Black people for choosing what they wish to.

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                  The problem is that religious people don’t adhere to this. I’m fine if you want to follow a religion or whatever, but don’t try to restrict my rights because you’re offended (not you personally, just the language of the example).

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                  Did you just try and play some sort of ‘big dad tells you what you can and cannot do’?

                  Off your high ground with you, off your false castle. You have NO moral high ground to stand on. I will belittle christians all day long, this right is earned by centuries and centuries of despicable acts of inhumanity perpetuated by that religion. How dare you, how dare you to try and take some moral high ground knowing fully well you stand on the graves of millions and millions tortured and killed by that lovely christianity.

                  And then that clumsy attempt to try and see if you can bate me into some statement where you can play the race card. How pathetic.

                  My point is that religion, and especially christianity, is bad. You uninvitedly and all on your own pushing people of color to the front in order to fake defend them is the REAL racist move.

                  Do you often feel the need to defend black people? Are they not able to defend themselves, hmm?

                  You tried to ‘daddy knows better’ me and belittle black people by keeping pushing their stats when none was even suggesting. You are a racist, plain and simple.

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                  Actually we have the freedom to openly mock religious beliefs. As long as the Christian Facists don’t completely take over the country.

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              At some point you stop humoring people when they bring their imaginary friends with them to adulthood.