There has been no claim that this individual fired on FBI agents, or even that he was armed at the time of the fatal altercation today. Apparently a giant squad of militarized personnel was incapable of apprehending a 75 year old man without gunning him down on his doorstep.
In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property during a protest; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.
They’re fine with all the other “poor outcome” police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of “their own” is shot.
I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.”
Here is the wiki on it. If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point? She was, however, still in bed and the no knock shouldn’t have been allowed.
I don’t know what you and that other guy are arguing about. I just laid out that it was noisy and her husband made two calls and got a gun. Whether or not she was still asleep could only be confirmed by the two people in the room. One is dead and one has legal and legitimate reasons why he might exaggerate a claim like that. Either way, it shouldn’t matter on the argument that no knock raids should be banned.
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
I never claimed this
also, you link doesn’t prove this:
If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point?
and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.
and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.
I provided a good source that directly refutes your claim, with a statement from the witness at the scene. You clearly don’t care about the truth, and just want to “win.”
“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.
She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker’s statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.
She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
Simple. It’s some of the worst behavior on reddit, on a garbage sub full of garbage people.
Basically someone who loves it when cops murder black people for them is like “It’s totally an awful thing that this happened, but” and then launch into a defense of whatever racist piece of shit is the topic of discussion.
Too bad that shit can’t stay on reddit where shit belongs.
I don’t understand the value of this comment and it seems like it’s being pedantic and splitting hairs for an unimportant reason. Whether or not she was sleeping when the bullet entered her is ignoring the main point. If you want to call it misinformation then that’s really stretching the term for misinformation.
So the reason I care is that every half-truth is a chink in the armor of the overall cause. Social and racial justice are incredibly important causes. When people make bold statements that aren’t entirely factual, the opposition points to them in order to discredit the cause as a whole. I want to persuade the persuadable by being factually correct whenever possible.
You know what? I can totally respect that stance. But I also think it’s important not to miss the forest through the trees on issues when fact checking. For smaller details that don’t effect the larger issue or play by play events it can otherwise distract from the overall importance of the issue.
Whether that be through unscrupulous individuals who would run away with the small incorrect detail and blow it up more than they should and downplay the whole event because of it, (think Alex Jones types). Or just people who get confused easily by over valuing and conflating series of events
No it isn’t. What matters is what sounds convincing to other human beings and claiming, “They were watching a movie in bed, therefore they were not sleeping” is a non-issue in the minds of others at best. What matters is that she was in bed and unaware. She might as well have been sleeping.
Look, I tend to believe that "common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”[1] People perceive the world differently from one another, and have different lived experiences. This is especially true for neurodivergent people when compared to people we might think of as neurotypical.
“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep” is a factually inaccurate statement. The specifics may be a non-issue for you, but they might be a major holdup for someone who thinks differently.
Is it though? An appeal to common sense has been used to justify any number of horrors historically. It depends heavily on the culture you are in.
Debate is most certainly used to persuade and test the strength of an argument. In debate, however, common sense is sometimes used in place of logical reasoning for things the speaker believes should simply be understood.
If you are one of the people downvoting this comment - you really need to reexamine your way of thinking.
The dude is just trying to correct the factual record. If you look at that, and those facts are unfriendly to your collection of how you like to feel about the situation and so you downvote him/her or start a protracted argument with him/her about it – that means biases are more important to you than factual accuracy.
I think, like any sensible person, that what happened to Breonna Taylor was a heinous crime and the cops involved should be punished. But, I also think the facts of the situation are important. She wasn’t shot while she was sleeping.
Again, if you’re downvoting, it means supporting your own biases is more important to you than the facts, and that’s dangerous. That is exactly what the MAGA crowd does and part of what makes them so dangerous and so difficult to communicate with. So please don’t do the same from “the other side.”
I appreciate the take. It’s not a great feeling to have “the side” you feel like you are on rail at you for trying to set the record straight.
It feels weird to say this, but I wonder if the “Tankies” from certain instances color Lemmy as a whole. If so, that makes me worried for the future of Lemmy. I really don’t want this to be the Far Left version of The_Donald or Truth Social.
Yeah, I don’t think any political viewpoint is free from people who just like their prejudices and attack anything that doesn’t match their prejudices. I wish it was different on the left, but sadly not.
FWIW, I’ve had a lengthy argument and said some plenty unpopular things in a tankie forum on Lemmy and didn’t get banned, so we’re still quite a ways away from the conservative ethos. I feel like as long as there’s freedom of speech about it, the problem is self-correcting in the long run. Maybe.
(I literally had someone on /r/walkaway tell me that I could say whatever I wanted, that they believe in free speech absolutism and exchange of ideas etc etc, and then when I went to reply to them, I couldn’t because I was banned. 😃)
A 75-year-old with a gun IS Trump’s base, and is just as dangerous as a teenager with a gun. Possibly more so because of the sheer delusions this voting base has. Who wants to guess as usual the the alt right is downplaying yet another terrorist event on their side.
Guy was armed and was making detailed death threats. If I was sent in to apprehend him you better believe I’m going in using as much force as I can to guarantee I’ll see my family for dinner after.
Some reich-winger’s tweet quoted in the article:
In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property during a protest; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.
They’re fine with all the other “poor outcome” police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of “their own” is shot.
I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.
Edit: In case y’all need proof.
Courier Journal: Louisville Local Newspaper, Left Leaning
getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up
what misinformation?
Here is the wiki on it. If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point? She was, however, still in bed and the no knock shouldn’t have been allowed.
do you have proof she wasn’t?
I don’t know what you and that other guy are arguing about. I just laid out that it was noisy and her husband made two calls and got a gun. Whether or not she was still asleep could only be confirmed by the two people in the room. One is dead and one has legal and legitimate reasons why he might exaggerate a claim like that. Either way, it shouldn’t matter on the argument that no knock raids should be banned.
not wanting to go to jail for murder is a legitimate reason to exaggerate a claim
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.
I never claimed this
also, you link doesn’t prove this:
and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.
I provided a good source that directly refutes your claim, with a statement from the witness at the scene. You clearly don’t care about the truth, and just want to “win.”
“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker’s statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
like he said:
Like I said:
where did I do this?
Well, for one thing it turns out Breonna Taylor wasn’t even asleep.
Source: Courier Journal - Local Newspaper
I didn’t miss r/publicfreakout.
Sorry, I’m a bit confused as to what you are saying?
Simple. It’s some of the worst behavior on reddit, on a garbage sub full of garbage people.
Basically someone who loves it when cops murder black people for them is like “It’s totally an awful thing that this happened, but” and then launch into a defense of whatever racist piece of shit is the topic of discussion.
Too bad that shit can’t stay on reddit where shit belongs.
What are you even talking about? Is that what you are assuming I am saying?
If so, what specifically did I say that led you to believe this?
I don’t understand the value of this comment and it seems like it’s being pedantic and splitting hairs for an unimportant reason. Whether or not she was sleeping when the bullet entered her is ignoring the main point. If you want to call it misinformation then that’s really stretching the term for misinformation.
So the reason I care is that every half-truth is a chink in the armor of the overall cause. Social and racial justice are incredibly important causes. When people make bold statements that aren’t entirely factual, the opposition points to them in order to discredit the cause as a whole. I want to persuade the persuadable by being factually correct whenever possible.
I do understand your overall point though.
You know what? I can totally respect that stance. But I also think it’s important not to miss the forest through the trees on issues when fact checking. For smaller details that don’t effect the larger issue or play by play events it can otherwise distract from the overall importance of the issue.
Whether that be through unscrupulous individuals who would run away with the small incorrect detail and blow it up more than they should and downplay the whole event because of it, (think Alex Jones types). Or just people who get confused easily by over valuing and conflating series of events
No it isn’t. What matters is what sounds convincing to other human beings and claiming, “They were watching a movie in bed, therefore they were not sleeping” is a non-issue in the minds of others at best. What matters is that she was in bed and unaware. She might as well have been sleeping.
People do have common sense, you know
Look, I tend to believe that "common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”[1] People perceive the world differently from one another, and have different lived experiences. This is especially true for neurodivergent people when compared to people we might think of as neurotypical.
“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep” is a factually inaccurate statement. The specifics may be a non-issue for you, but they might be a major holdup for someone who thinks differently.
And that’s why we compare experiences and share knowledge through debate to reach a consensus. Which is a fundamental part of common sense
Is it though? An appeal to common sense has been used to justify any number of horrors historically. It depends heavily on the culture you are in.
Debate is most certainly used to persuade and test the strength of an argument. In debate, however, common sense is sometimes used in place of logical reasoning for things the speaker believes should simply be understood.
If you are one of the people downvoting this comment - you really need to reexamine your way of thinking.
The dude is just trying to correct the factual record. If you look at that, and those facts are unfriendly to your collection of how you like to feel about the situation and so you downvote him/her or start a protracted argument with him/her about it – that means biases are more important to you than factual accuracy.
I think, like any sensible person, that what happened to Breonna Taylor was a heinous crime and the cops involved should be punished. But, I also think the facts of the situation are important. She wasn’t shot while she was sleeping.
Again, if you’re downvoting, it means supporting your own biases is more important to you than the facts, and that’s dangerous. That is exactly what the MAGA crowd does and part of what makes them so dangerous and so difficult to communicate with. So please don’t do the same from “the other side.”
I appreciate the take. It’s not a great feeling to have “the side” you feel like you are on rail at you for trying to set the record straight.
It feels weird to say this, but I wonder if the “Tankies” from certain instances color Lemmy as a whole. If so, that makes me worried for the future of Lemmy. I really don’t want this to be the Far Left version of The_Donald or Truth Social.
Yeah, I don’t think any political viewpoint is free from people who just like their prejudices and attack anything that doesn’t match their prejudices. I wish it was different on the left, but sadly not.
FWIW, I’ve had a lengthy argument and said some plenty unpopular things in a tankie forum on Lemmy and didn’t get banned, so we’re still quite a ways away from the conservative ethos. I feel like as long as there’s freedom of speech about it, the problem is self-correcting in the long run. Maybe.
(I literally had someone on /r/walkaway tell me that I could say whatever I wanted, that they believe in free speech absolutism and exchange of ideas etc etc, and then when I went to reply to them, I couldn’t because I was banned. 😃)
Yeah, I’ve noticed lack of reading downvoting seems like even more of a problem on Lemmy than on Reddit. Its really bizarre the votes on this thread are completely contradictory for example.
I bet they’re the same ones that don’t want body cams or investigations into excessive policing…
If only he’d complied…
He did tell them, come back with a warrant, which they did.
Just respond to them that he should’ve obeyed and he’d be alive
#JUST COMPLY
A 75-year-old with a gun IS Trump’s base, and is just as dangerous as a teenager with a gun. Possibly more so because of the sheer delusions this voting base has. Who wants to guess as usual the the alt right is downplaying yet another terrorist event on their side.
Guy was armed and was making detailed death threats. If I was sent in to apprehend him you better believe I’m going in using as much force as I can to guarantee I’ll see my family for dinner after.
Yep, never heard these people talk about Michael Reinoehl.
Actually a lot of right-wingers cared about Breonna Taylor. The top post by far on /r/progun is about Breonna Taylor.
They only care as long as it promotes gun rights for white men. They don’t care about the disparate impact she and other black women experience.
These are the top 4 posts on the sub though?