Who the fuck uses instagram for group chats?
zoomers
My friend group just uses our discord server for that shit, then again we’re all older zoomers so maybe thats why.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t zoomer = gen z?
Here’s my correction: you’re correct
Zoomer genocide is the only solution
A lot of young people do
Bro if I had to use insta for a group chat I would fucking snap lmao, give me Facebook messenger any day. At least that app tries to be decent
I hate Gen Z
Dude. I have a group that only talks on Facebook Messenger. It’s 100% Gen X and Millennials. Don’t blame the generation, it just makes you sound like an old man yelling “get off my lawn”.
Exactly. What’s annoying are oblivious people, who are the majority in every single generation.
Don’t blame the generation, it just makes you sound like an old man yelling “get off my lawn”.
I’m assuming that they are also Gen Z, with the whole college roommates thing.
I went to college at 29. And it really doesn’t matter how old you are, complaining about a younger generation makes you sound old.
Take it from a Gen Xer who’s heard The Greatest, the Boomers, and my own generation do it 😁
I went to college at 29.
Did you also have just-out-of-highschool roommates though?
Also, fair on the rest of your point. Don’t have to be old to act old.
complaining about a younger generation makes you sound old.
Complaining about any generation, as if it’s a monolith, makes you sound small minded and ignorant. This is as true for older people as it is for the young. Many Gen Zers constantly blame all the world’s problems on Baby Boomers and seems to think all their troubles will magically disappear once the oldest living generation is dead and buried. They’re gonna be real fucking surprised the day they wake up and realize the only thing they ever accomplished socially with all that ageism was to normalize blind hatred of anyone over 40, which will be them before too long.
And, yes, I know that I’m unironically complaining about a generation in this post. Or at least a segment of them.
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millennials were doing that in their 20s though. it was a whole drama with some of my friends when i switched to android back in the day (5-8 years ago, mind). you just want to be a grumpy old.
true, but ive noticed that at least older people pretend to care about privacy
Since when? Boomers will click anything you send them, Gen X think they are too clever to be phished on their XP desktop, and Millennials will give you their entire credit history for $50 off a streaming service. The majority of every generation doesn’t give a shit about digital privacy.
My hot take is that Gen Z is less tech literate than Millennials and it’s almost entirely due to iOS.
I got the same response from my 65 yo in-laws, it ain’t Gen Z
My boomer parents use it daily without any trouble. If they can do it anyone can
I didn’t mean to imply it was an ability issue, they are just unwilling to change lol, they don’t care about privacy. Classic “Well I don’t have anything to hide” fallacy.
I just get so annoyed whenever someone broadly says “god I hate the youth for being so dumb”, idiots come in all ages y’all
If they’re in college and don’t have anything to hide they’re missing out.
true, but my in-laws graduated about 40 years ago so their secrets are buried in the past
Yep those people make me puke when they say they don’t care about privacy
Same. I use it to chat with my parents exclusively, who are 68 and 75.
Came here to say exactly this.
Bad sign for a roommate. I think their intention was " I have something that’s good enough, and I would be inconvenienced to do another thing, therefore I would prefer to use the old platform most of us are already on " but instead he said " signal sucks "
This person might be painful to live with
Agreed. Hopefully that person will be an ex-roommate soon. Signal, Telegram, and even WhatsApp are all good platforms for group chat communication. Duck Instagram and that roommate.
Nothing from Meta, Google, Microsoft is good. It might be encrypted, but the apps suck everyrhing they can from your device and connect it to your real identity you have on FB, IG, Gmail emails…
How sure can one be with proprietary apps that the users are in fact the only ones who can decrypt their messages?
The thing is that today you dont even need access to the coversation when you have metadata. Imagine, a woman calls a number of center for planned parenthood, is on the phone for 20 mins. Then she calls a number of her gyno doc for couple mins. Then her phone is located at that gyno doc a week later for 2 hours or whatever it takes. Do you need to decrypt the conversation? You already know what was discussed.
Good point.
I mean that’s one very specific scenario. Also you wouldn’t be able to call any of those places on WhatsApp or IG Messenger.
Who you associate with, what people/services you call and what places you frequent is way, way more interesting than knowing the actual contents of your messages. I mean they’d probably obviously prefer both, but if you had to pick one, metadata is more valuable.
What data is available is not so important to me as what data could be used against me in a court of law.
Bit of a moot point regardless as there are plenty of private messengers.
Does the app has access to your call log ? To verify you when you sign up?
I don’t know but you can only place calls to other WhatsApp users, to my knowledge
I think a lot of them do.
WhatsApp, I believe, was mentioned as more of a desperate option. You can’t trust it, yes, but at least its not Instagram. At least it claims it has encryption, which likely matters very little because its Meta, but it’s still better than a platform with none of that.
I mean if you don’t care about privacy at all Signal does kinda suck in comparison to other popular chat apps.
Why? I use it for chats and group chats with many people in all age groups and it never sucks.
Because it lacks many of the tools, features, and finish of more popular ones like WhatsApp, Telegram, and even IG.
“sent from my iphone”
Such signatures are so annoying. Who in the history ever read this and thought “yeah, you know what I’ll get an iPhone for email”? Stupid preset.
It’s meant as an excuse. “Sorry for the crappy typos and autocorrupt. It was my iPhone.”
Dude iPhone keyboard are fucking horrific.
I hate software keyboards as well, hence I built this: https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry
I absolutely love this! You should post it to !foss@beehaw.org
I didn’t know that community exists. Will do, thanks!
Not in my experience, and they’ve improved the error correction / prediction logic quite a bit with iOS 17.
And yet they’ve never fixed the size, added a number row or a second layer for punctuation…
…I switched from Android to iPhone when they stopped making physical keyboards, after comparing on-screen keyboards on Android devices to iOS’ keyboard. Android’s on-screen keyboards were horrible at the time.
I’m sure they’ve improved, but there nothing horrific about iOS’ keyboard—I have always found it to work very well.
That’s why I switched back to a Blackberry keyboard on a Fairphone 4 ;)
“Brevity due to mobility”
Probably some people, back when smartphones were novel in 2007.
At this point though, it’s tacky and implies that you don’t care enough about the conversation to turn it off.
“@icloud.com”
- Create an IG account with a burner email and join the chat
- Sell all other member’s data to advertisement, scam telephone services, mailing lists, etc… subscribe all of them to newsletters from amazon and pornsites (or just wait for all of that to happen naturally)
- Wait for someone to bring this up
- “I told you, we should move to Signal”
- Bring everyone over
- Win
Dude, I agree that everything is fucked up there but don’t blame Gen Z for that. The only reason zoomers are like that, IN THE US, is that they grew up with a large lobby of social media above them and their fathers. “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing"
Generation war is a very stupid thing that was created precisely to keep us from those responsible for the current state of affairs: the big companies. It is true that most zoomers are stupid, but this is not their fault and it does not have to be that way forever.
Just remember: it’s ok to be the weird guy that doesn’t use instagram and isn’t in the group chat.
Just don’t be surprised when you get left out of most all group activities.
Like filming hilarious TikTok vids!
Like any parties, meetups, day to day activities, group activity planning, reminders about bills, etc
Don’t act like you’re not missing anything from being the only person excluded from a group chat due to ridiculous standards.
If the friends in the group chat don’t hit you up individually to let you know about those things, then why would you want to spend time with them in the first place?
Because most of the time they’re not leaving you out because they’re doing it intentionally, but because everyone else already has the info, you’re just making it much harder to invite yourself.
I was this person. I got left out of a lot of stuff because I wouldn’t join group chats. It’s not a hill worth dying on.
I would say not inviting that person is doing it intentionally, as everyone knows that person isn’t in the group chat. Also, it does not make you much harder to invite, it’s literally just letting your friend know outside of the group chat.
If your friends leave you out of things for this reason, they don’t want to hang out with you very much.
I’m 21 and a decent amount of my friends assume I’m already in the group chats where plans are made, and when they remember I’m not, push me to get an iPhone instead of switching to a platform where I can be included. It’s shitty, but everyone else gets the info so it’s okay.
Even my 36-year-old cousin said she wouldn’t date anyone who didn’t have an iPhone.
At this point, I’m happy Instagram has come up as a platform everyone usually has an account on (even if it fucking sucks) just so that I am accessible for friends to easily add me to groups.
If your bills don’t remind you to pay then because you’re not on Instagram, why would you… be… paying them in the first place?
That comparison makes no sense.
I know. I was quoting the person you had responded to.
Friends will tell you about all those things anyway. If someone didn’t tell you about a party because you’re not on instagram they didn’t want to hang out with you anyway.
Lawl I’ve never NOT been invited to a party because I don’t have accounts on social media. What kinda of friends exclude you from “day to day activities” (I can’t NOT read that in the voice of Hank Hill) if you’re not on fucking Instagram?
Reminders about BILLS?! The fuck are you on?!
What an insane comment.
My roommates and I had a groupchat that was used explicitly for all of those things.
Planning on the group chat was about the only talking about activities we’d do. If something was missed in the group chat, that was on the person who missed it.
We paid shared bills. That’s where we did all of the breakup of responsibilities and money requirements.
Being left out of group chats will absolutely have you left out of day to day activities since they now have to go out of their way to invite only you, since everyone else already has the info.
If now that youve left the groupchat your roommates just forget to invite you, even if that what they’re used to, that says A LOT about your friends. I disagree that sending you a message is “out of their way”, it takes an infintismally amount of effort to message someone a time and place. Also, messaging you just is not out of their way, its right in their path if anything. (Assuming they have any desire to see you)
Friends can absolutely drop a SMS or phone call if Instagram/Snapchat mutuals is not possible. The pre condition is that you must be worth being a friend, and they must not be dumb enough. Usually all the “internet socials” people I see are shallow and stingy with fake smiles and good short talk upon first interaction.
wtf is instagram group chat. Is that the same as facebook messenger? I hate that app
It is not it is the direct messaging system built within Instagram itself. It is extremely popular among Gen Z because they get to spam each other with thousands of Instagram reels and shitty memes
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without social media
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Lemmy and the like are closer to a series of forums than social media, I’d argue.
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Nice to see a fellow zoomer that does not have any social media. I was the biggest social media addict for years and refuse to ever go back. Fuck those algorithm driven psychologically manipulative social media services that also spy on everything you do.
I was the biggest social media addict
I was, a long time ago. Back when you actually used it to follow your friends and see what they were up to. Meta fixed that right up for me when they enshittified it with rampant ads, “Reels” and “suggestions”, not to mention cloning literally every other social media feature, to the point that I can’t even find my actual friends anymore.
I have several people that I have blocked because they continuously send me Reels, despite me never replying to a single message and asking them to stop sending them.
I’m fairly certain they combined Instagram DMs and FB Messenger into one thing a couple of years ago. Instagram DM is now just FB Messenger but in the Instagram app, and its chats can be viewed and interacted with fully from Messenger.
The iPhone is just the cherry on top
lol cope and be normal I guess? I understand insta isn’t great with privacy but it’s a group chat for your room mates. Make a burner account instead of forcing all of them to download some app they’ve never heard of for one group chat with people they are forced to be acquaintances with.
They’re likely all thinking you’re the odd man out because you’re making a fuss over a group chat.
And that’s why I have no friends, because when I propose “walking to my house to tell me” as an alternate method of communication, they throw their hands to the air and say “that’s it, you’re too much of a hassle”
as a gen zer myself I would follow it up with WHY? give me a reason WHY. I don’t really see a difference between instagram groups and signal groups. I think what it is for most people is some lame app they will download for only that specific purpose. The only reason why iMessage is popular is it’s the default. If the EU passed a regulation to force Apple to have a default messager that only supported SMS, and iMessage to be a separate appstore app, or even just an extension for the messages app. it would die within a year. Meta groups are only popular cause they are tired to 2 of the biggest social platform being facebook and instagram.
You pretty much hit the nail. I doubt he has ever even used Signal in his life. And even if it was some lame all for a specific purpose, it is a better experience than SMS since Apple loves to gatekeep iMessage and Android users can’t use it.
I tried this before, but with asking someone why they liked the iPhone so much.
I kept asking why and they’d keep giving me non-answer types of answers. Basically, they had no reason. But that still didn’t stop them from liking their products.
I don’t know, dude. Even asking ‘why’ doesn’t work anymore.
The EU is supposed to pass some laws to make iMessage accessible from other devices
Signal is just a messaging app, and worst of all to a ton of people you have to share your phone number, something that is kinda intimate and you might only share it among the closer people in your friend group, even when signal launches usernames unless it builds something around signal it’s just another annoying messaging app to keep track of.
There’s an app called Session that is similar to Signal without the phone number requirement but then you have the issue of moving people to an even more niche platform
I’m using SimpleX chat, which works great, and no phone number. It’s niche too
I love SimpleX because you can have multiple users and you can use 1-time invite codes so you don’t actually have to give anyone an identifier of any kind if you don’t want to.
Do you have any issues getting notifications?
I do occasionally, but my friends don’t, I think it is my phone because a reboot fixes it.
ETA: ‘occasionally’ about every 1-2 months
There’s also threema which is pretty tried and tested and quite popular where I live (and also not connected to weird crypto schemes) but it of course has the same issue.
I’ve tried to use session to talk to a couple family members but I just don’t get notifications, so I just use signal. (no I’m not on slow mode, I just use microG)
For some reason the session network (oxen network) now blocks my Hetzner VPS connection (I use for VPN). Have been a session user for around 2 years now and now I have to reconsider Signal.
If only there was some messaging app that basically every college age student already has installed. That would be convenient.
I’m not sure if you meant that sarcastically but besides Instagram I really haven’t come across one
@CorrodedCranium @skymtf Session runs on a platform of NIH-Bitcoin and NIH-Tor. It’s an encrypted messenger and also a crypto scam.
I haven’t seen enough evidence to say it’s a scam. It uses Oxen to incentive users to host nodes. Why would that be anymore of a scam than any other crypto currency?
Cryptocurrency in general is a scam.
I’m not someone who blindly hypes up Bitcoin or other currencies but why do you say that? They seem useful in a broad set of applications
As far as I can see, the only application of cryptocurrency is to facilitate crime: money laundering, ransom, paying for contraband, etc.
@CorrodedCranium All cryptocurrency stuff is a scam. Why wouldn’t it just use Tor which already exists?
This from the Lokinet website
While Tor and Lokinet are both onion routers, they are very different at both the protocol and infrastructure levels.
Tor relies on a network of volunteer-operated relays and a set of central directory authorities, and this infrastructure introduces a number of weaknesses and limitations. Because Tor’s circuit moderation is bandwidth-weighted, you are much more likely to use high-bandwidth nodes than low-bandwidth ones, meaning that a large percentage of Tor’s 7000+ nodes are underutilised due to having insufficient bandwidth. Additionally, Tor relies on a limited set of directory authorities. When these directory authorities are compromised or suffer from technical issues, the stability of the entire Tor network suffers because the network is unable to agree on what the node set is or the roles of nodes in the network (whether they were guard nodes, exit nodes, relays, etc.).
Instead of relying on volunteers, Lokinet leverages the Oxen Service Node Network. Because Oxen’s service node operators are required to provide high-quality nodes — and are actively incentivised to do so — Lokinet’s relay network is consistent and reliable. Lokinet also inherits the market-based Sybil attack resistance of the Oxen blockchain, increasing Lokinet’s security against such attacks.
Instead of Tor’s system of central directory authorities, Lokinet stores the state of the service node network on the blockchain. Every service node has access to this list, and comes to a consensus on it, making Lokinet significantly more decentralised than Tor.
Lokinet is also more versatile than Tor — Tor operates on the transport layer and is only able to carry TCP traffic, while Lokinet operates on the network layer, meaning it can onion-route any IP-based protocol: TCP, UDP, ICMP, etc. This means Lokinet can be used for much more than just web browsing — it can also handle things like media streaming and video conferencing.
@CorrodedCranium Yeah it’s just Tor + blockchain, for marketing and exitscam purposes.
Tor is pretty trusted for security. Lokinet isn’t.
have to share your phone number
Lol, lmao even
What great security
Same shit with Telegram and how you literally can’t use it without a phone. You have to use your phone to log in on desktop, even. Just lollll
Security and avoidance of anti-features != anonymity. If you wanted that you would have to use something like GNU Jami which has account archives and is peer to peer.
I’m just grateful that the phone number requirement means less of a hassle for others.
you’re just saying a bunch of words at me that mean literally nothing if you think it being tied to your phone + phone number = good
Good for what?
Having an app, the entire point of which is encrypted communication, tied to your fucking phone number is fucking stupid
Is there another app you’d suggest instead? Signal seems to work well for OP’s use case.
You don’t have to share your phone number with people to use telegram with them though.
So the obvious better privacy option is… Instagram?
I think you can try to create the group with end to end encryption
as a gen zer myself I would follow it up with WHY? give me a reason WHY.
So that spooks and advertisers can’t read your messages and use the information to help them brainwash you. Isn’t that reason enough?
I mean for them to explain why they think signal sucks
