Yeah, both sides amiright?

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    Well, to all the folks arguing with me on how voting for Harris was bad because of Gaza: CONGRATULATIONS! You REALLY made a point there. The Palestinians had a chance under Harris. Instead of voting for a chance for the Palestinians, you did nothing or voted for genocide. You did it from the other side of the world, where you won’t have to suffer the consequences.

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          It’s pretty obvious that the Gaza protesters were given disproportionate media coverage because Russia paid for it to be pushed as a wedge issue.

          Even this article is just anti leftist propaganda.

          The actual amount of people that protest voted was a non factor this election. The exact same ratios of Muslims, Jews, and young people voter the same this time as in 2020.

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            The turnout of Democratic voters was lower than it should have been. There are too many variables at play to make any conclusion, but it’s safe to assume that the number of voters who abstained due to the issue was more than zero.

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              I really want to see a credible analysis showing how many of those non-votes were due to abstentions versus voter-suppression mesaures such as electoral-roll purges, overcrowded polling stations, fake challenges at the polls, etc.

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                Most of it was white and hispanic older men staying home.

                Those were the largest demographic shifts.

                We live in a bigoted country that can not vote for a woman

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            It was pretty obvious most Americans don’t care about Gaza, and didn’t let it influence their voting.

            I’ve seen polling prior to the election that asked people about their most important issues when voting.

            https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx

            The Republican voter’s top issues were the economy, immigration, terrorism/nation security, crime and taxes.

            Meanwhile, the Democrat top issues were US democracy, the supreme court, abortion, healthcare and education.

            Basically, foreign policy was a non issue for voters. Gaza did not factor into most voter’s decisions at all. And of course it doesn’t. When you’re worried about putting food on the table, you can’t afford rent, your bodily autonomy is at stake and your country is going to shit… you’d be silly to vote based on Gaza. Because that’s directly voting against your own interests. Gaza should not have been a large talking point or even at all.

            I think the reason a lot of Democrats stayed home was basically candidate fatigue. They just didn’t feel like voting for a candidate so boring and faceless. And she didn’t have nearly enough time to turn things around. Why bother voting when democratic leadership clearly isn’t taking voters and their actual issues seriously?

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          There is no reason to think Harris would’ve been any different than Biden on this issue. She repeatedly said she was in agreement with Biden on this, i don’t care if it was during an election people need more to go on than the hope that she really feels different inside

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            That’s cool because Trump stance was even more extreme, but since he’s saying insane things every minute, no one batted an eye. But Harris had to be perfect. How do you even reconcile what you say with the reality you have in front of you.

            Trump said in no uncertain terms that he would back Israel, he’s confirming it today and you still spout that “both sides” inane shit.

            What more do you need to admit that your point is bullshit.

            With Harris, there was a sliver of hope that there could be change and with Trump it was sure that Israel would do whatever it wanted. You look at that shitty situation all around, and you still think Harris was the worst choice versus the openly fascist dictator?

            There is no sane universe where you can defend that point of view, yet here we are.

            Palestine is fucked, good luck Ukraine, and fuck any American that isn’t white, Christian and straight I guess. But hey, both sides, right?

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      The Palestinians had a chance under Harris.

      based on what data? You’re just making stuff up.

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        based on them trying to feel better about voting for genocide and losing. they got the worst of both worlds instead of doing the right thing and gathering support for a better party

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          The mighty democratic party ladies and gents, blaming their epic across-the-entire government, across every demographic loss on a tiny minority of voters they explicitely said they’d bomb —instead of owning the fact that they are out of touch with all of their voters who arent rich people.