I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?
Americans HAVE their country, this is what they want, this is what they voted for. Stop treating Americans as if this is something pressed upon them. They chose this. Now they will live with the consequences.
Yep Imma stand back and watch it all go to absolute hell and I’ll be pleased knowing they brought it on themselves.
Same. America, I loved you, but it’s not me, it’s you.
Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.
I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.
Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.
FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.
How in the fuck.
Like what drives a majority of Americans to vote for a demented toddler. It’s insane.
As a kid I always wondered how on Earth did Hitler ever make anyone follow himself, how did those people not realise. Turns out a majority of people are just fucking morons.
And Harris has done worse than Biden in every county in America.
Not every state. Every county.
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I think that most of the Americans want this
Maybe, but none of the facts directly support this.
There have been large campaigns to disenfranchise several types of voters for decades in the country. The Electoral College was designed to be unfair to appease Slave states. Voter turnout is abysmal, only about 35% of eligible citizens vote. Out of those turnout is usually around the same percentage. The highest turnout recently was 2020 only because mail in voting was expanded so dramatically, and even then it was only 67% of registered voters, so it was still only 67% of that original 37% of eligible voters. So with the highest recent turnout, we’re looking at about 25% of eligible citizens actually voting.
Dafuk are you talking about? Voter turnout is 67% of all eligible voters. It’s highest since it’s ever been. And Trump won the popular vote. At least look at the facts instead of crying “stolen election”.
Democracy really is the worst form of government, just not as bad as all the others…
Unfortunately in such polarized times like now, even though majority wants this, the ammount of people for which this is unacceptable is only slightly less than “the majority”. And besides, I believe a big part of “the majority” is just gullible enough to be persuaded they want this while it actually goes against their interests
And if the other candidate won, the other half would’ve been in the same state of “this is unacceptable”. Solutions?
Cuz lemmy seems to think if their party wins it’s all good and if the other wins it’s the end of the world. While in reality it seems there’s a 50-50 split with each side equally hating the other.
It is the limitation of democracy and why it is the worst (except all the others) - because it allows this.
How to fix this? These would be a good start: don’t polarize the society like this and create us vs. them mentality. In place of power hungry populists have people in charge who want the best for the country. Don’t enable fascists - they never should make it this far. Respect other people. Invest in education so people understand these basics.
And this is not just about US. It’s scary that this is wherr us got because they are such a big player on the world stage
The whole lemmy has been essentially about “us vs them” for the last few months. With zero discourse tolerated, only one opinion being allowed: trump bad, republicans fascist.
So, if you worry about polarization, you guys are the biggest echo chamber I’ve seen to date.
No, there is a concerted effort by conservatives to use voter suppression to subvert the will of the majority in the US.
conservatives are clawing back the country right now by hook and by crook.
can’t go on forever, but I don’t know which is going to last longer: the country or the aging frightened conservatives willing to subvert democracy to hang on to control.
Trump wins the popular vote and lemmy is still in denial.
Education, unfortunately those in the most need of it are out of an educational institution so they will only be fed on a diet of commercialism and disinformation.
Modern education is 50/50 ticket to debt slavery
I’m actually talking about the public school system not college.
Public schooling is compulsory, i am not following who is out of it?
The adults that are under educated that voted. I’m saying the dumbing down of America is coming from inside the house by slashing school budgets and how you set education standards. Schools are supposed to operate apolitically but the fact is it is a political institution with political ramifications. Keeping pay low and standards low of what is taught keeps a populace dull and compliant. Educated enough to run the machines at the factory but dumb enough not to ask for more in their lives.
Is that the same reason why biden was elected in 2020 or obama before him?
I’ll entertain you as I don’t think you are asking this question in good faith. I will have to separate out the 2008 election from the 2020 election.
In 2008 the election was between Obama and McCain but the rumblings of the symptoms of far right conservatism was boiling up. Tea party and Sarah Palin, remember the clip of McCain having to tell an older voter that Obama wasn’t a secret Kenyan citizen, that is a trump voter right there. It’s just at the time the Republican Party had more of a back bone and was willing to entertain the middle and not play into peoples worst ideas, that has since disappeared.
The 2008 election was also before citizens united decision . Every election after has been inundated by messaging from private corporations that have their own agenda and want to sway an uneducated populace to vote in their interests. Look at how much money Elon was willing to burn because he thinks that it will benefit him.
Ok now for 2020 election. Honestly, if there was no pandemic or if Trump had been more responsive to the pandemic I think he would have been reelected. But he fucked up the pandemic response so bad that people were and did get hurt by his incompetence. So people voted him out so that we could actually get the situation under control. That is why Biden won in 2016, things were so bad trump could have lost to a brain dead turnip, democrats could have put anyone up against trump and they would have won.
This will be my closing, just like roe v wade, this is a case of the dog catching the car. Now that republicans have won now they actually have to lead. In 4 years when nothing has improved in people’s lives they will realize they were bamboozled and are not going to actually be better off.
I do hope that answers your question. I tried approaching it as academically as I could for you. I do hope you read and digest these words carefully and thoughtfully but is the internet so I’m also expecting a response of a poop emoji too. So good day to you fellow traveler and good luck.
2020*
Some children really did get left behind
By finally doing what it clearly needs to do, splitting in multiple countries so red States can finally become third world countries like they so want to be.
It’s funny that the last time this was floated by Republicans, they thought they were kicking the Democrat states out.
In other words, they thought they were keeping the Federal government.
Republican states need Democrat states far more than vice versa.
If Trump truly does win, Republicans won’t split the country. They’ll make it even more impossible to leave.
Talk and gasp befriend those with whom we disagree.
Fuck that filth
It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.
And move where?!
Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller’s wife explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich
Martin Niemöllers zweite Frau (seit 1971), Sibylle von Sell schreibt dazu am 23.4.2000 in h-holocaust https://www.h-net.org/~holoweb/ :.“ The trouble with Martin Niemoeller’s „famous quotation“ is that he never wrote it down – which enabled so many hitchhikers over the years to „put themselves on the waggon“. In his „Confession of Guilt“ (as he called it himself: Schuldbekenntnis in German) the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”
The problem is that nowhere is safe now. I’m Canadian, and I wish I had somewhere to go. And just imagine how the poor sods in Palestine, Ukraine, and so many other suffering countries, are feeling right now.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.
And Russia will use, what? Tanks from the Cold War?! There have been many reports from professional defense intel groups and countries that report that Russia has been struggling to keep fighting the invasion of Ukraine. They’ve had to resort to asking North Korea to send thousands of troops to fight in Ukraine. With the weapons that the EU, Australia, Britain, and the US have been sending them, Russia is going to have a tremendously difficult time fighting back. Let alone, invading another country.
There’s a theory going around that China might take action and ‘take back’ what they claim to have been their territory from the early 1800s. Either they capture Serbia as a whole, southern Serbia, or a large portion of Eastern Russia. Which might look like the northern point of Lake Baikal to Uda Gulf or the push further and take Taul Bay. The southern part of the Kamchatka peninsula would be advantageous to them. The US and others would have a harder time “controlling” China’s fleet of ships if they had ports and bases up there as well.
I can only hold onto fool’s faith for so long, that the world doesn’t experience another major war.
How about Russia using US military aid?
Trump has stated he would talk with Russia about solving the Ukraine problem…
See, this is why I rent.
They will over the next 4 years. Elections swing back and forth. Midterms will probably be greatly fir democrats
Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.
Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.
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Facism is capitalism in decay.
Is that just a think people say or are their studies or books about this?
Facism is a reaction to the institutional failures of capitalism brought about by many scholars. Mainly brought about by the working class left behind looking for a change to the system.
Places in history where it happened
italy (1920’s) voters wanted a stronger economy with trains to run on time germany (1920’s) voters wanted a stronger economy without a destabilization of currency
