• spirinolas@lemmy.world
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    As an European it’s pretty clear now that the US is our enemy. This is just the start. We really need to put our military in order and prepare for the inevitable attack.

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      It’s impossible to catch up to the US war machine in 4 years only. We can only start the process, but I also doubt the US would sit by idly and let us become too powerful.

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        The nice thing is that Trump will replace our best generals and other leadership with utter incompetents.

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            Not so. If a soldier is given an unlawful order, they are obligated to refuse it. If they decide to follow such an order, they are not innocent, it’s on their own heads, and I have zero sympathy for war criminals. Wanna guess how I can tell you never served?

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              You never served if you think disobeying orders is gonna blow over in the way you outlined here

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                Blow over? Who ever said anything about that?

                It takes courage to be a conscientious objector, especially in the face of fascism. Many good men have been murdered for refusing orders to murder civilians. Despite the consequences, it’s the only ethical position possible.

                Refusing unlawful orders is drilled into us in boot camp for damn good reasons. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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              Nobody said it was an unlawful order. Just a terrible implementation of bad planning due to “worse generals” which you were celebrating. And no I have no interest in your guessing.

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        We don’t really need the power to be able to attack the US. Just enough to be able to defend ourselves and that is far from impossible even in 4 years.

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          Attack the US?

          You guys are crazy for even entertaining the idea.

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      Don’t worry. The US may have the most experienced, well funded, and outfitted military on the planet, but the bafoons at the top keep getting in the way of the military executing a war the way it wants to.

      See: Iraq 2, WMD boogaloo, or the cult classic Vietnam: Congress goes to war.

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        You really aren’t even joking at all. This is what happens when Congress gets out of the way of the military.

        https://youtu.be/rD2C1H-dzzI

        Dude has a channel dedicated to telling the unbelievable stories of what our soldiers have done when the leash comes off.

        Warning: dude is a conservative, so his takes on socialism and communism are what you’d expect

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          I wasn’t kidding in the slightest. If the DoD had executed the second Iraq invasion it would have taken a few days. But Rumsfeld and his croneys insisted on it being done their way, and they didn’t know shit about fuck when it came to warfare. (Note: this may have been because Rumsfeld was lying and committing crimes that, had the military done things the way they wanted, would have been exposed.)

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      As an Australian I wish we’d negotiate to join the EU. Philosophically we have more in common with the EU then America and together is better.

      But we cant even join with New Zealand and od not ne suporsed if the EU didnt want us, I’d not want us, though we do all seem to mostly hate immigrants so we have that in common :(

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        Our previous governments have tied us to the US so tightly that we may as well be a US vassal state. Whatever America’s foreign policy is, is Australia’s policy. Our military is dependent on the US for its equipment.

        It would be great to have more ties to the EU and SE Asian counties but thats unlikely to happen unfortunately.

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        Side note, New Zealand can however decide to join us. The Australian constitution has a provision that a successful referendum in New Zealand admits them to the Federation.

        Given the All Blacks record however this is unlikely.

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    I don’t know why the Danish PM would waste his time even talking to Traitorapist Trump. The whole world knows Trump is a notorious liar.

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        Probably just didn’t know and the majority of heads of state are men so it’s not an unfair assumption. I certainly didn’t know she was a woman and I wouldn’t have looked it up to get the right pronouns in a post on here.

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    At what point is someone going to tell Donald that the end result of pushing and pushing on this narrative to the point of realization… Is going to result in Article 5 being activated, Europe and NATO formally going to war against the US, and the US tearing itself apart as factions decide to move to the Ammo box after the soap, ballot and jury boxes failed.

    This is absolutely a red line. and it will cause a civil war. as well as the total destruction of the world order. Xi and Putin may end up getting so erect that they die of heart attacks.

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    I love that the map in the article only labels a few locations, but one of them is the Gulf of Mexico.

    Nice subtle dig at the man-baby.

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    I can’t wait for the US to enter the “find out” phase. It will take some time, sure, but heh, hubris always invites nemesis.

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      Yeah… Some country’s “find out” phase in history occurred only after unspeakable horrors were committed and the country was crushed jnto submission by an international coalition. So… Idk

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        Yea I dont think anyone is going to enjoy the “find out” phase of this one. Maybe Putin, if he lives that long.

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        The find out phase also might mean come countries with equally unhinged leaders feel emboldened to attack others, as countries start divesting from their US relations.

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      I just hope the rest of the world takes mercy on those of us US citizens who just wanna live our lives in peace.

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        I’m more thinking in terms of: if you turn your back on your friends, they will turn their backs to you. Specifically: NATO article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO’s history, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001. And we were there for you, no questions asked. Now your country is threatening a NATO ally. Tread carefully.

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          I mean, I have no say in what my country actually does. I highly disapprove of it all, in fact. But I would hope that if the rest of the world kicked in our door to stop our shit, that regular citizens like me wouldn’t be in danger of being shot or whatever. I just wanna live my life, man.

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            You have a lot more say in what your country does than any of us being threatened do…

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              Yeah, but how can I stop the dumbass in charge from doing shit that’s bad? I voted and he still got in.

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                I don’t have answers, sorry. Maybe just remind others who can vote that they need to and that any pain they feel is solely a result of that dumbass being elected, no matter who he tries to blame.

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    I don’t speak crazy, can someone explain Trumps issue with Greenland to me, thanks

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      Territorialism. He thinks he can just demand Denmark to sell Greenland to him, but neither Denmark nor Greenland are having any of it. Big Baby didn’t think he’d get pushback and does what he does best: get pissed.

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      Imo, Greenland has fossil fuel reserves they’re not tapping in order to protect the environment. USA wants the natural resources, but Greenland not being brown people or “the wrong kind of white people”, Greenland a member of NATO, invading Greenland outright risks ww3 without being able to blame anyone other than the USA. I could be wrong, though, I’m not a geopolitics wonk.

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    Hope the US empire goes crumbling down now that the fascist wanna be dictator is in power.

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      It will crumble, the question is will it crumble fast enough before its oil and gas fetish accelerates climate change too far.

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    fuck the citizens of the usa

    i think it is safe to say there is absolutely no place left where ppl dont hate on you now.

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      I like to think people are reasonable enough to separate the politician from the citizens.

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        I’m in the US, I voted against Trump, I’m likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved and the sentiment from your OP is valid. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I’m personally tired of it.

        People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.

        It’s not that I don’t care. It’s not even that I don’t have the fight left in me. I just don’t see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.

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        I feel your frustration but this isn’t a petty dictator with his boot on his people’s neck. He was elected. The US, as a nation, chose this. You are choosing your new allies and your new enemies and being quite clear about it.

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          With how much ratfuckery we already know about, and how much we likely don’t, I genuinely have doubts he was actually elected.

          Regardless, the supermajority of US citizens did not vote for him.

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            A supermajority didn’t vote against him either, and a plurality of eligible voters didn’t give enough of a shit to even show up.

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            Every single eligible voter who did not vote was complicit in his victory. A supermajority of voters were fine with this result.

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              I would argue that the supermajority weren’t fine with this result, these real life consequences, but were under a collective cope/delusion that “Killer Kamala” was a “weak woman” but also a warhawk who just wanted to genocide lots of people in Gaza and prolong the war in Ukraine, and Trump was going to bring peace and prosperity and lower the cost of living.

              Americans are mostly stupid, poorly educated, gullible, and easily deceived by low effort promises.

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                If they couldn’t take their collective heads out of their assess for the 5 nanoseconds it should take to see through Trump’s crusty veneer, then they were, in fact, fine with it.

                “I didn’t care”, “I didn’t know”, and any other form of ignorance is inexcusable, especially after his first term in office. Did they think he’d changed somehow?

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                  Fuzzy memories after 4 years of anti-Democrat propoganda, remember overwhelmingly Americans use social media that backs Trump (X, Meta, TikTok), to the point that even US “leftists” were all in anti-“blue MAGA”.

                  It’s classic manufactured consent. That’s why FAFO was trending after election. Americans don’t know what they voted for. They are about to find out - the hard way.

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        I agree and hope so too. I think a lot of the frustration and hate comes from Trump actually having been elected. Basically, if you meet someone who voted, there is about a 50:50 chance that they have voted for this. When your vote influences not just your own country but the entire world, that guarantees blame and anger from others.

        Now, you can argue whether elections are fair when one party is funded by billionaires and has access to media to spread any misinformation they want. Gerrymandering and a lot of other practices surely play a role in making this not absolutely fair. Let alone that insanity of a two party system. But at the end of the day, this is still an elected president, who even won the public vote, if I remember correctly. It is not the same as obviously rigged elections as in, for example, Russia (where people get even much more hate for their president, as if they had the power to vote or change anything).

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        i am from germany. should we apply your stupid argument on ww2?

        no. fuck the americans. they voted for shitbag twice rather than a women. i dont see mass protests. it is the people. the american people are living the idiocracy by choice.

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      That’s bullshit. Hate the government, not its people. The number of people who DIDN’T vote for that shitbag is more than every country in Europe except for Germany, Turkey, and Russia.

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        That’s a you problem. Get your fucking dog back on a leash. Most US voters voted for this and the ones who don’t vote don’t matter.

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          It’s an everywhere problem. Far-right candidates are winning elections all over the world. The US, as usual, is going over the top and is speedrunning towards the Fourth Reich, but we won’t be the only ones if everyone else doesn’t get their shit together as well.

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            Far-right candidates in other countries aren’t openly musing about annexing allies through military force.

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              Not yet, no. If they’re allowed to continue unimpeded they’ll likely go the same way the US is now.