• frequenttimetraveler@lemmy.world
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    OpenAI is a slimy company with slimy leadership that hoovers up people’s work without permission and without punlishment, and turns scientific discoveries into a walled garden of overhyped spam generators.

    Do they really need a whistleblower to tell us this?

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    You’ve heard about a Boeing suicide, no we have new age OpenAI suicide.

    People love mocking Russians when their “leaders” fall out of windows, but where are these people when corpos kill plebs within US?

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      As someone living in Russia, we don’t do this window joke. We joke about sugar in Ryazan (aka Putin blows up houses), we joke about 146%, we joke about poisoned tea.

      There’s also been a story of a group of anarchists trying to build some kind of an organization and reproducing “Lord of the Flies” in process, resulting in murders of two of them and the rest trying to cover it up, it’s still not certain that the one who came clear is in fact the murderer ; interesting that those murders were the only thing to interest law enforcement until a few years later, when the group as a whole formally not breaking any laws stopped being a hindrance. Point being - there are sometimes suspicions that groups like this are often intentionally created by FSB agents or whatever, to attract people likely to feel this way.

      And when I was reading about where the window joke comes from, it’s about a couple of scientists falling out of windows about the same time. I suppose with the defense-related (and in general strategic projects) corruption there could be some principled positions leading to murders covered up as suicides.

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      Weren’t there two boing suicides? Or the second one was something more creative, I think.

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        Second one had enough plausible deniability to permit neo lib regime whores to label it as a “conspiracy theory”

        They will pretend that the first one did not happen or that it was a fluke in the system of “democracy”

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      People love mocking Russians when their “leaders” fall out of windows, but where are these people when corpos kill plebs within US?

      You assumed it was about being fair. People just like to shit on russia to distract from internal problems, it was never about the “people falling out of the window” thing.

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    Can someone fill me in on the missing info here…

    How is it that Zuck has been busted (basically) for training his ai on 80TB of pirated materials via torrents and it seems to be getting swept under the rug, yet this poor guy points out Sam Altman doing the same and he’s suicided?

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    Balaji’s parents claim to have evidence from their independent investigation, such as ballistic evidence from the private autopsy, which they claim shows a downwards bullet travel path that would be impossible by a self-administered gunshot. Balaji’s parents also claim that a tuft of wig hair found at the scene that did not belong to Suchir represents unexplained evidence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suchir_Balaji#Skepticism_and_calls_for_further_investigation

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      Also, the fact that he had the balls to blow the whistle seems to imply that he had no intention of ending his life before he could actually follow through.

      This shit is just so obvious.

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    How many times did he shoot himself?

    I mean there is a pattern to these things.
    If Putin doesn’t like you, you shoot yourself and then jump out of a building.
    If the Clintons don’t like you, you shoot yourself twice in the back of the head before driving your car off a cliff.
    If you have dirt on powerful people, you hang yourself in prison.

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      According to the police records, the man committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of his head.

      edit: after reading your comment more carefully, you actually already mentioned that. oopsie.

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    Yeah, everyone knows that people who have the courage to blow the whistle when they see awful shit, are likely to kill themselves before they can share that information with anyone… Makes complete sense.

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        Alright… is there something I don’t know. I was not aware that Aaron Swartz’ death was a Boeing suicide.

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            Except Aaron was being prosecuted for pirating open scientific papers. He was being heavily pressured by the FBI and was facing serious fines and jail time.

            It’s less surprising that he took his own life in that situation. I know less about the OpenAI whistleblower, but it seems much more suspicious from here.

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    if you plan to whistleblow something, always plan it thoroughly so you cant be silenced by being murdered.

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      And make it abundantly clear to everyone that you’re not suicidal. Record videos with date stamps. Send date stamped letters by mail to friends, with instructions to retain the letters indefinitely, and perhaps which are clearly marked “to be opened in the event of my death”. The letters should say something along the lines of “I am not suicidal. I do not want to die. I am not going to kill myself under any circumstances. If I die, it was not by suicide. I want to live. I have ABC reasons to live. I have XYZ plans for the future.” Etc.

      Keep multiple copies of the information in multiple locations, and make sure multiple people know where a copy is. Ideally, have a dead-man’s switch set up, or someone you trust to do it, to automatically send all the information to all the major news outlets if you do turn up dead, along with a statement akin to the letter outlined above to make it clear you were murdered.

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        I’m not sure it’s in those exact terms, but I think there were a few cases with high levels of preparation. Ended up being ruled as suicides anyway by the courts and the media. Not saying they’ll always win, though. But their idealogical power is not to underestimate.

        A minister in my country was deemed to have committed suicide by drowning in a 50cm body of water. Strangely enough, all witnesses have committed suicide too just before being heard by the courts.

        And it worked. Everybody know it wasn’t a suicide, but it changes nothing for those responsible of the murder.

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          Didn’t the boeing guy pretty explicitly state that he was not suicidal to family and friends right before he died?

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                They don’t care. If there is no immediate and severe punishment for it then it doesn’t matter if we ‘know.’ In 10 years the only line will be the official one and we’ll just look like conspiracy theorists with half remembered facts. They dont think you’re stupid, they know they’ll get aways with it and they don’t think about you at all.

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                  I don’t think that’s it at all. Wealth and power makes people stupid, and in order to keep believing in their own superior status, they have to believe we are stupider than them, which is very stupid indeed.

                  Like it or not, even “monsters” have to have a model of the world and a theory of mind in order to operate. If they didn’t think about us, they wouldn’t be able to exploit us. If they didn’t treat us with contempt, they wouldn’t be able to exploit us. So, contemptuous consideration it is.

                  It’s just that is a poor model of reality, so it’s going to be part of their downfall. They are going to keep treating us as idiots until we surprise them by suddenly not acting the part anymore. These abuses are clear and they are piling up. We remember the panama papers and what happened to those journalists. We remember what happened to Snowden, Manning and Assange. This has an undermining effect on the legitimacy of the system.

                  You don’t see the termites until the house is already falling down around you.

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      It’s a great idea, though in practice I fear you’d seem like Snowden and everyone would eventually coalesce around the idea that you’re a traitor because you didn’t get assassinated or put into a dark hole to be forgotten.

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        Isn’t Snowden, like, actually a dipshit though? He released info that got our spies killed.

        Some was important to know. Some just got people murdered

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          What info got spies killed exactly? Aspersions were cast but no actual information ever came out about that, and presumably if they’re already dead then it can be released.

          If that had actually happened, the government would have been howling from the rooftops about it, we’d all know their names.

          But the reports on what damage it did were entirely redacted, and the worst thing they could say was “likely to have lethal consequences”, which presumably means it hadn’t had lethal consequences. Pretty weak shit, and even then we’re just supposed to trust them when they relay the contents of blacked out pages to us?

          Also they’re bitching and moaning about how it will weaken their ability to do spy shit and like… good. Why do we want them to do that shit? Everything we know about what they do is basically universally evil, so maybe Snowden is a hero actually.

          Nah, it’s bullshit, they’re just trying to assassinate his character and it sounds like you fell for it.

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          He released info that got our spies killed.

          citation requested. I’ve only seen this as a fox news talking point, never, ever substantiated.

          Not really a snowden fan myself, but really feel we need to be accurate when things like this are asserted.

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      The point is like Russian point. It isn’t just to silence you so trouble goes away that the whistle-blower was involved with. It’s to silence other potential whistle-blowers. It’s too send a message.

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        Yeah I read somewhere that, in Russian culture, the more absurd the cover up story the more insulting it is meant to be for the victim.

        Like if someone “shot themselves 3 times in the back of the head then fell out of a window”. Maybe Epstein fits into that too

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        We got some of it, its just that killer drones and SI aren’t as cool on this side of the screen, and the cyberware is only for rich people (though there is a growing 3D printed movement for amputees) That said with some craft skills we can at least make the cool punk armor and kneepads and have it be reasonably functional, even deploy a blade if you’re ambitious, though more predator than mantis in that regard.

        Be the change you want to see.

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        Yeah, I think the constant barrage of bad news that you have no control over is too much. I’m spending more of my free time this year volunteering locally, mostly for selfish reasons like mental health and distraction from Politics.

        Also, given how things are heading, this might be one of our last decent years for spending time outside. So, I’m making an effort to enjoy it while I can.

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      What kind of info do you think they could have had? With boeing, it’s probably something about corruption, pocketing state subsidy money that should have gone to actual projects, or something similar.

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    Indeed, Balaji’s death — of a self-inflicted gunshot, per the San Francisco County Medical Examiner’s report — had become a focal point in debates over AI ethics, corporate accountability, and the dangers faced by whistleblowers in Silicon Valley. Whether these things become disentangled now remains to be seen.

    Bet they don’t