Found it first here - https://mastodon.social/@BonehouseWasps/111692479718694120
Not sure if this is the right community to discuss here in Lemmy?
Not as bad as the AI-generated articles showing up in search results. Some websites I get driven to make absolutely no sense, despite a lot of words being written about all kinds of topics.
I’m looking forward to the day when “certified human content” is a thing, and that’s all search engines allow you to see.
I’m looking forward to the day when “certified human content” is a thing, and that’s all search engines allow you to see.
I can’t wait for that. I get the feeling it’s gonna get real messy before we figure out solutions to all the problems caused by AI-generated content.
I mean yeah, there’s already plenty of human-generated misinformation and shit, but it seems to me (not an expert) like ai is capable of fucking with society on a whole new scale.
The big difference is that high quality human generated content is often based on reputation, a history of quality content, and frequently reviewed by experts in the field (very common for medical articles).
But AI has none of that. It’s 100% quantity over quality, and that’s just internet pollution as far as I’m concerned.
We really do have to figure something out, though.
China is already using it to generate shorts on YouTube. I hope Google has the balls to invest in fighting it, but that company has been downhill lately.
China?
The whole of Pinterest, tiktok and Instagram are using it to make shorts.
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TikTok is China. Literally owned and operated by the state.
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Don’t compare for profit corporations to a hostile militaristic dictatorship.
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https://mashable.com/article/world-of-warcraft-wow-reddit-ai-glorbo
Reddit already tricked a bot into writing an entire article when they noticed a website was clearly scraping /r/wow
The winning search engine will link to useful and relevant content, whether they are ai generated or not.
It’s more likely that the winning search engine will be the one that generates the most ad revenue via clicks.
Eventually all content will just be AI generated on the fly. No need to keep dumb content on precious storage that could be used to increase model size.
Eventually all comments will be AI-generated too, carefully crafted to ensure humans follow a paid narrative.
if you look up anything rooting or custom related, those sites seem to be half of what comes up
Yeah, a lot of repair sites come up with pages that have just hundreds of Q&A’s, but often times they don’t make sense or aren’t even related to the topic! Once you realize how much time was wasted on these garbage sites, you don’t even feel motivated to keep looking for answers.
It’s still pretty easy to tell the difference. You have to have a pretty low level of media literacy to not be able to easily spot it. Unfortunately we already know that most people don’t have a clue when it comes to mass media, and even if they did, we also know that people tend to believe whatever reinforces their priors.
They’ll just make certification so expensive only the wealthy will qualify.
You’ll never hear another perspective again.
Or, you know, we go back to the time when the news media had real gatekeepers and not just any random jackass could churn out some bullshit copy and broadcast it to the world, let alone have it get published by their local paper.
It’s nice that the Internet has democratized access to a national or even global audience, but let’s not pretend for a moment that it hasn’t caused a ton of problems in the process such that now many people have no idea of what to believe while others believe whatever they want.
I mean, they would have started appearing in there from the first moment that someone created one and hosted it somewhere, no? So it’s already been a thing for a couple years now, I believe.
Yeah but AI is a buzz word and hating it is fun at the current moment!
Well it is pretty shitty though. It needs conscousness and feelings. That crap out there is barely AI.
I’m wondering if we give AI consciousness is it more likely to identify humans as a threat to the Earth and try to eliminate us or would it empathize with it’s creators? Seems risky…
Humans are not a threat to the Earth. Do you mean that humans are a threat to the environment? That would mean that we’re a threat to ourselves. It wouldn’t make sense to destroy us to save us from ourselves.
What if the ai towed all the humans beyond the environment?
Into another environment?
This line of thinking assumes it would prioritize Earth exclusively over humans, which is only likely if the AI is created with that specific intent.
Rather hypocritical of you to do the exact same thing you’re accusing others of: hating on a strawman.
Pretty soon, stupid shit Musk does will start being posted here.
Whaddya mean nearly every tech article posted here are variations of “Elon bad upvotes to the left”
Nothing like the thrill of being part of an angry mob! All the dopamine of righteous fury, none of the responsibility.
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Lol at this account spamming AI related posts with angry unintelligible comments and trying to bait people into arguments
Zero art has been stolen.
You cannot steal a jpg.
And protecting copyright is supporting big corporations.
And protecting copyright is supporting big corporations.
Apart from - you know, all the photographers, designers, authors and musicians out there.
You mean the ones who routinely come out saying how X corporation stole their work and they received nothing for it?
The ones where if you try to challenge the corporations hoarding human cultural works you’ll find yourself in a legal battle you can’t afford to enter.
The amount of times an artist “wins” in the system vs a corporation is laughable. It’s designed to protect you and I, like the rest of the legal system does (it doesn’t).
You mean the ones who routinely come out saying how X corporation stole their work and they received nothing for it?
Yes.The ones who routinely use copyright to get some form of payment. I know several people who had their photographs reublished by the Daily Mail and subsequently got payment. It happens. It’s an imperfect system, but still one that allows small artists to make a living.
he amount of times an artist “wins” in the system vs a corporation is laughable.
I mean, it really isn’t. It’s the entire backbone of an industry whereby, for example a photographer or illustrator can supply woirk to a magazine on a single use license. It’s how people who supply photo libraries make a living. It’s how small bands have at least some protection.
I do like your libertarian line of reasoning. If the law doesn’t work very well, it should be abolished. I’ve seen people say the same thing about the EPA and OSHA.
The difference is, even if it worked properly I would still not be in favour of denying people freedom to use cultural works.
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Oh did they break into their house and take their only version?
Copying is not theft.
It’s really weird how so many people have become advocates for abolishing copyright the moment it benefits a giant corporation. No thought, no nuance, just “copyright bad.”
It would be like somebody shouting about abolishing unions during the Starbucks protests, because police unions exist.
People have been saying Copyright is BS since at least the 90s when Disney pulled their shenanigans (again) and probably even before that
But isn’t it funny that so many of them have emerged when their nuance-free absolutism helps a big corporation and not the people it’s harming?
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Copyright is not the same thing as intellectual property though
Copyright is law which is used to prevent free copying of media, while “intellectual property” is a term cooked up by corporate suits to generalize copyright, trademarks, and patents and equate them with property law. Richard Stallman wrote about this.
It has become fashionable to toss copyright, patents, and trademarks—three separate and different entities involving three separate and different sets of laws—plus a dozen other laws into one pot and call it “intellectual property.” The distorting and confusing term did not become common by accident. Companies that gain from the confusion promoted it. The clearest way out of the confusion is to reject the term entirely.
So do you support what James Somerton did to small queer creators?
I have no idea who that is.
Intellectual property comes before any of those things. If I paint a picture, it’s my intellectual property whether I apply for some legal definition or not.
It’s not the same thing as a copyright. Anyone can have intellectual property
That is certainly an opinion.
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The music industry wants to honour you at their next awards night for fighting piracy.
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Because I want the abolishment of all copyright and IP. Why are you fighting against liberating human culture?
Um no, we’re defending actual open AI models, I couldn’t give 2 shits about OpenAI. They have the funding to license things, but that open source model? Trying to compete against big corporations like Microsoft and Google? They don’t.
You’re actually advocating for the big corporations, what’s going to happen if things go the way you want is the truly open models will die off and big corporations will completely control AI from then on. Is that what you really want?
As long as you are willing to admit that you are okay with plagiarists like James Somerton stealing the words of minority authors and large corporations like Marvel stealing the content of small comic artists verbatim and publishing them.
I’m not sure how that helps anyone, but you seem convicted in your absolutism.
I fail to see what he or your comment has to do with Generative AI models, which is what we are talking about.
I don’t think you fully understand how Generative AIs work. The input data is used in a similar, but far more rudimentary way, to learn as humans do. The model itself contains no recognizable original data, just a bunch of numbers, math and weights in an attempt to simulate the neurons and synaptic pathways that our brains form when we learn things.
Yes, a carefully crafted prompt can get it to spit out a near identical copy of something it was trained on (assuming it had been trained on enough data of the target artist to begin with), but so can humans. In those cases humans have gotten in trouble when attempting to profit off it and therefore in that case justice must be served regardless of if it was AI or human that reproduced it.
But to use something that was publicly available on the Internet for input is fair game just as any human might look at a sampling of images to nail down a certain style. Humans are just far more efficient at it with far far less needed data
Why would they not? There’s no way for such a system to know it’s AI generated unless there’s some metadata that makes it obvious. And even if it was, who’s to say the user wouldn’t want to see them in the results?
This is a nothing issue. It’s not like this is being generated in response to a search, it’s something that already existed being returned as a result because there is assembly something that links it to the search.
To put it bluntly: this is kind of like complaining a pencil drawing on a napkin showed up in the results.
There’s no way for such a system to know it’s AI generated unless there’s some metadata that makes it obvious.
I agree with your comment but just want to point out that AI-generated images actually often do contain metadata, usually describing the model and prompt used.
By the time a user has shared them, 99% of the time all superfluous metadata has been stripped, for better or worse.
AI generation sites about to become Pinterest 2.0 for clogging up search results.
Well, of course. The search algorithm has no way to know the difference.
AI generated images often contain model and prompt metadata so in fact it could potentially tell the difference. Not that that should necessarily mean the image should be excluded.
Screenshot and its gone
Its time to start talking about “memetic effluent.” In the same way corporations polluted our physical world, they’re pollution our memetic world. AI spewing garbage data is just the most obvious way, but corporations have been toxifying our memetic space for generations.
This memetic effluent will make sorting through data harder and harder over the years. But the oil and tobacco industries undermined science and democracy for decades with it’s own memetic effluent in order to protect their business for decades. Advertising is it’s own effluent that distorts and destroys language. Jerry Rubin said it in 1970, “How can I tell you ‘I love you’ after hearing ‘cars love shell?’”
While physical effluent destroys our physical environment making living in the world harder, memetics effluent destroys meaning and makes thinking about and comprehending the world harder. Both are the garbage side effects of the perpetuation of capitalism.
This example of poisoning the data well is just too obvious to ignore, but there are so many others.
It’s interesting, because the idea is basically that knowledge and ideas should be constructive, so as not to pollute the sum of human knowledge.
So that raises the question, what is the constructive conclusion to “memetic effluent”? Without one, is the concept itself an example of such effluent?
It also raises the very thorny issue of who adjudicates what is and is not “memetic effluent.”
Thank you for circling the largest photo, my eyes didn’t know where to go #bless 🙏
Not my original content, I just saw this post from Mastodon
Internet was already unreliable source of information (for some stuff) without AI, just wait
I wonder what would happen in the future as future AI’s get trained with AI generated images that they got from the internet. Would the generated images start to degrade or have somekind of distinct style pop out.
You mean like this?
Yeah something like that. I imagine it would be something like jpeg which degrades as you keep converting over and over. But not sure how would AI generated images would look like.
If you are interested in the subject, this is an interesting medium article.
And should you wish to go directly to the technical source, skipping Medium’s stupidity, here you go.
Not really. Check midjourney v6 generated images. I found many images, which look undistinctable from real images. So i dont see, why image generation should get worse. What matters is the dataset and only dataset. It doesnt matter if the model is trained on ai images, as long as the dataset is good
rip google search results
Just generate your own result with AI in seconds. ;)
Reality:
Reality is overrated.
Google is a search engine, it shows stuff hosted on the Internet. If these AI generated images are hosted on the Internet, Google should show them.
Except is VERY heavily weights certain sources.
That’s a completely different topic though.
This isn’t new, I’ve seen ai in the Google images results for months now, close to a year.
Like this from last year - https://mastodon.social/@avadeaux@mastodon.nu/110547154739658264
What the hell is going on with that mustache?
