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Imagine having Windows installed in 2024. /s
Most people are tech illiterate. Ask them anything but to use a pre installed system or pop in a CD that was given to them (No they can’t burn one themselves) and they’ll fail
With all the UI changes on every version in the last few years that simply isn’t true. Windows is becoming harder and harder to use even if you know what you are doing, much less if you don’t know half the computer related terminology.
Actually, not really. It’s becoming more like what a smart device would look/feel, which is what most people are accustomed to anyway by now. Sure, options and settings get removed left and right, but that is not a concern for your every day Joe. They just need something to do their taxes in or watch a movie or play a few dumb clips on YT, that’s it. Oh and of course it comes preinstalled with the computer, so they can do all that out of the box, great!
You ask any person that uses MS Office whether they like the pre-2007 menu layout (1997-2003) of Office or the new (post-2007) menu layout, you’ll always get the same answer, the post-2007 is better. Why? I really have no idea, but they say it’s better. Maybe it’s the thing with the icon buttons, or just having a ribbon with the most used tools, IDK. My point is, LibreOffice uses the pre-2007 classical layout. For most people, this is confusing. I find it simple and elegant, the way a GUI text/spreadsheet editor should look and feel. But, than again, I’m with computers since I was a kid, so drop down menus are not a new thing for me. People rarely use any menu that’s not a full screen one (or at least one that’s big enough to take away at least half the screen). Why? IDK, but I think smart devices are to blame for that.
I can’t imagine walking around and just assuming everything is a magic black box and not have the slightest curiosity about how something works.
Believe it or not, not everyone is intersted in tech. Most people just live out their lives oblivious to how stuff works.
Like me for example, I have almost 0 interest in medicine. The human body is not exactly a black box to me, but I don’t usually remember deseases names and stuff like that, even though some people remember all those things without putting too much effort into it.
Except for the fact, that you do that to plenty of other disciplines of life. It is simply that some people need a computer to work, they don’t need one as a hobby. They don’t want to “learn a new thing” they want their machine to output some calculations in excel. Same as you don’t learn woodworking when ordering a table from Ikea, or learning medicine when going to a checkup.
Same as you don’t learn woodworking when ordering a table from Ikea, or learning medicine when going to a checkup.
Maybe I’m different than most, but I DO wonder how that table is made, and I do try to educate myself on how the medicines I take actually work. There’s been times I’ve wasted almost an entire day binging Wikipedia.
I’m not saying I have in depth knowledge of fields outside my own, but I do make an attempt. Like, I’m not a gearhead at all, and I only care about cars being able to take me to work and back. But I do know how internal combustion works, and I have a general understanding of the components of an engine.
You’re an inqusitive mind (so am I) and there is nothing wrong with that.
But, do understand that most people aren’t. Either because they didn’t have proper guidance when they were young or just have no interest in involving themselves in new things, doesn’t really matter, the fact is that, yes, most people don’t really care how stuff works.
You might surround yourself with people that are like you, so you don’t see the other ones. Trust me when I say this, most people are not like you. I’d say about 5 to 10% of people are like you, that’s it.
A day on wikipedia doesn’t get you “installed linux and is actively using it at work” level of knowledge. For cars, the better analogy would be “I can replace the transmission in my car”. Everyone knows how “computers work”. Not a lot of people know how to install a different OS.
Exactly, good analogy 👍.
I don’t think I really do. I always want to be able to fix all of the things I own so I always like to understand how they work. I don’t always actually end up learning enough about them but it’s not from lack of curiosity
The same thing might apply to people that just don’t know how to install another OS.
I’ll take my wife as an example, she knows how to work on a computer (Windows) in her sleep. Spreadsheets, documents, media, you name it. But, does she know how to work the command line? Absolutely not. If her Windows license is about to expire, she calls me. Her files get mangled up, she calls me. It’s not her job to know these things, it’s mine, she’s a social worker, I work in IT.
Imagine having a CD in 2024 /s
Until I saw the /s I felt extremely old
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Yeah, it’s a DVD now, right?
… Right?
Hell, I still burn stuff to DVDs 🤷.
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Stop enabling normies, make them become tech literate or send them back to the stone-age (preferable).
That’s not enabling, it’s just how people are… most people anyway. They won’t become tech literate of you send them to computer classes or tell them they need to learn stuff. Most people are lazy when it comes to using their brain. It’s just how things are 🤷.
Personally I’m not tech illiterate; I’m just too lazy to reboot every time I want to hop on the decks and do some DJing or music production. Or play one of the few games that won’t run on Linux. Or watch something in HDR.
I wish there was a way to instantly jump back and forth between OSes with a key combo, without having to resort to any sort of VM fuckery. Like how for a brief moment in the 90s you could buy an expansion card for your Mac that was an entire Windows PC on a single board. You do exactly what I described: instantly go back and forth between Mac and PC without having to close any programs. We should find a way to make that a thing again.
Regarding DJing, there is support now for quite a few MIDI DJ controllers in Linux, you should look and see if yours is supported 😉.
The easy solution for that is a kvm switch. You have two pcs, and switch between them with a button press, keeping the same mouse, keyboard and monitor.
Best use is for personal PC and work laptop, but if you specifically want to switch between linux and windows pcs, then it should be fine if you use that.
Yeah but I don’t want two PCs. The PC room gets hot enough as-is. I have to turn off the heat when doing a resource-intensive task to keep the room from heating up to 80°F! In January!
Not to mention the costs. Upfront and the increased power bill. No way am I buying a second 4090 and having one PC using up 150w+ sitting idle while I’m using the other one. Out of my budget.
Why would you have a 4090 in the non-gaming one? A 2 or 3 generation old laptop used for $150 can idle Linux far below 120W and run most things as fast as a current gen Windows machine. I have my pc and my work laptop both plugged into a huge monitor with 2 buttons to switch input, and ShareMouse to share the same keyboard and mouse. I preferred Synergy, and then the Barrier fork, and then the Input-Leap fork because they are freeware, but they took away local admin and sudo permissions on the work computer, so I needed an alternative that didn’t need elevated privileges and don’t want a hardware KVM switch.
Because maybe I want to game on multiple OSes?
This argument is getting out of control. All I want is a some technology to come around that lets me switch between OSes instantly without rebooting or building a second PC. That was my original point. We’re going off on a tangent, here.
Skill issue. Can’t click a Windows entry if you don’t have one!
You guys have windows partitions?
I keep dual windows on laptop for rare occasions cuz I don’t like dealing with passthrough for special USB cables that require their own drivers on VMs
Yep, pretty much the same reason, just have to use it, mostly because of software that interacts with hardware, in one way or another.
USB cables require drivers? 👀
Well USB to serial port to some weird custom 6 pin connector for a certain machine.
Or car data link adapter
The ports do, it’s just that they’re built in every kernel nowadays.
I do. I wanted to finish something there that I couldn’t easily move to Linux. A DVD project using files scattered accross the system in DVDStyler. I didn’t notice DVDStyler works on Linux.
Now I am basically keeping it due to sunk cost fallancy. It has lots of menus and videos, plus some of them I cut myself. But I don’t even remember where I ended. There was also something about color limitation in menus I wanted to fix. I last shut it down during an update about 2-3 years ago.
But who knows, maybe later at some point…But I could really use those extra 400GB. I only have 15GiB free right now…
Not on bare metal, for this reason
Need for interacting with hardware, so yeah, have it on bare metal, plus in a VM.
Any reason you can’t just pass the hardware through to the vm?
Because it needs SATA emulation (needs to communicate natively with SATA devices), and that’s still not a thing in KVMs as far as I know.
I installed one when I made my first Linux PC last month in case I needed to use Windows for anything that wouldn’t work fine enough on Linux.
One month later and I still haven’t used it for anything. I think I may have underestimated how fleshed out the Linux ecosystem is these days.
Can’t click on Windows, if have no Windows 😏
I haven’t booted into my windows 10 drive in months, I fear the amount of updates it will force apon me if I accidentally do.
I was in that situation a while ago, so I booted in to try and keep it up to date. Well, in reality I booted into recovery mode as it decided to die. Anyway I’m now duel booting arch and tumbleweed
Use Windows Update Blocker to block them.
At that point I’d just get rid of Windows entirely. I used to have it on my laptop, and the updates it installed after booting for the first time in months broke networking. I never used that install so I decided to use the storage space for more sensible things.
How?
No dual boot here, Windows is confined to a VM. Even in the ancient times I had dual boot, last century, Linux was always the default.
There’s also the possibility of selecting the last booted OS by default instead of a specific entry
I’m glad I never found that option. ;)
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That is all good and fine, unless you need it to interact with hardware, which I do.
Windows is installing update 2 of 48…
Yeah, that was back in the WinVista/7/8/8.1 days, it doesn’t show the number of updates any more. Plus, a lot of the updates are cumulative, they abandoned their earlier model.
And, I have to admit, the update process is a lit faster now and a lot less error prone.
it doesn’t show the number of updates
Huh didn’t think of that.
When the windows update bricked my OS I sighed in pure relief as I could finally stop using windows forever. As an added bonus I didn’t lose any work because the drive was fully accessible to arch… after windows said it had encrypted the drive.
Absolute trash operating system and I have zero regrets leaving.
Same, Windows also bricked my Grub install (which was on another drive). Too bad I have to use that trash for school
I very much understand your pain, my drive died mid-year while I was at university, I just cleaned it up and added it to a virtual machine with win10 to finish projects with the windows based programs.
Worked surprisingly well. I used virtual machine manager on arch (and now endeavour, I can’t stop distro hopping but I’ve stayed on endeavour the longest)
Yup a Windows update messing with the bootloader before gracefully failing (blue screen) was the nudge for me to remove it once and for all
Me with only linux installed: not a problem i face, no
I’m not into programming, and I’m an LGBTQIA Ally. Just genuinely curious. Are 90% of Linux users really young white femboys with anime body pillows? Or is Lemmy just a heavily skewed demographic?
It’s mostly just a stereotype. I know plenty of young white femboys who use Windows, and I’m a Linux user who is young and white but definitely not a femboy. I would say 90% of Linux users probably know how to program though.
It’s just Lemmy!
these comments always remind me how small the amount of my peers here probably is. i wonder how many other lemmy users have cooked crack
Dual booters are fem-boys with anime body pillows.
Those brave enough to take the full plunge and single boot Linux are fem-men with anime body pillows.
Not so young anymore (🥲), not a femboy and no body pillows here. Been using Linux for almost 20 years now. More than 10 exclusivly Linux.
The young, single, femboys just has more time to creat more memes.
Just hold the power button until it gets quiet.
… shush, don’t fight it, it will be over soon.
I always imagine this when hard rebooting any device
same thought when hard rebooting the last time before formatting
Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don’t restart (or disable fast startup for a real shutdown) so it releases the lock without having to unlock it inside Linux (and sometimes failing because it’s not always locked the same)
“locked” the drive is read-only in Linux until windows unlocks it or Linux does using a tool
I know, I know… we were just not meant to be, sorry…
You use your mouse for GRUB?
What Windows? I got Debian, and some shit that tests my memory.
Your memory or your computer’s memory? Huge difference.
“I forgot”
Doesn’t seem to work…
you don’t have it default to linux…?
I do, but I sometimes need Windows and I get confused when rebooting “was I supposed to use Windows or Linux now 🤔”.
lol happens to me too ><
same thing happens to me but with temple os
