• Auntie Oedipus ✊🏰🕰️@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.

    In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance.

    These are the good guys. You know, the ones that don’t want violence and only want to be safe from external threats.

  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.

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      Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.

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          Almost. Disinformation is lying, while misinformation can be whaddaboutisms and/or a blackout of the inconvenient truths. Misinformation can include true facts, but use outliers as proof to their veracity. Misinformation can also include disinformation, but play semantics to minimize the controversies of labeling lies as the lies that they are.

          Hamas continues to send missiles and hiding in areas barred from being attacked by military attacks from the rules of warfare. IDF says that they will not hold back on their counter-attacks, that the Palestinians were warned.

          I see Russia attack Ukraine with the same terrorist targeting of civilian casualties as Hamas and Israel. My fear is that this is how warfare will be fought until enough carnage is inflicted that all sides see the consequences of breaking rules of engagement.

          Morally, both sides (IDF and Hamas) have been bad for decades.

    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldOP
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      I thought about posting this to the community. Should I? It breaks my heart that we are collectively letting this happen.

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        absolutely should. The heinous aspect of a truth should actually highlight the importance of it being common knowledge. It is in ignoring and burying it to avoid discomfort that helps enable repeating that which led to it.

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      Are there media outlets in other countries, other than Israel, running articles like this? It would be interesting to know what you’re comparing it to.

      • Chocrates@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Al Jazeera has good reporting usually. YouTube tells me they have questionable funding, I haven’t followed up on it.

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          Their funding is questionable but their coverage of the region is really good. They also cover a ton of topics in SE Asia that are only really touched upon otherwise by the BBC.

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          Israel has specifically threatened the families of Al Jazeera’s Palestinian team. That tells me all I need to know.

  • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    “The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

    You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.

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      “The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong.”

      From the article…

      In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.”

      Not saying that the IDF is right on this one, at all, but all armies have aholes in them who do crap like this.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        So they quick way out of reserve service is to just film yourself committing war crimes? That seems like a reward not a punishment. They should be in prison, not at home

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          So they quick way out of reserve service

          I wasn’t speaking towards that.

          I was calling someone out for falsely quoting something that wasn’t said.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    This sounds like when pics emerged of American troops pointing finger-guns at the genitals of Muslim men in potato sacks on baskets.

    Holy shit, I can’t find the Gitmo pics of the lady doing fingerguns at their junks. I’m sure I could if I spent enough time, but 4-5 searches didn’t get their. That’s even more disturbing. This was a huge issue.

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    You give people unchecked power over other people, and it will be abused. Occupying armies, prisons, police, clergy, you name it.

    We just aren’t nice monkeys. So power has to be transparent and accountable.

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      They can’t, too busy actually murdering and planning on their next murder operation using the UN funds.

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        Yes, but they aren’t doing this in addition to that like Israel is. Pretty bad when the good guys are as bad or worse than Hamas.

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          You sure about that? Breaking limbs and beheading hostages is better in your book than this?

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            Israel over the last 20 years has slaughtered so many Gazans it makes the recent Hamas attacks kind of look puny. Neither one of them is justified. And yes I’m sure this is just basic verifiable facts that everyone who’s been paying attention knows.

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              Why did you switch your argument from “Israel is worse because they are not only killing but also humiliating Palestinians when compared to hamas who only kill” to “Israel has killed more Palestinians than got Israeli people killed”? It’s only natural to have Israel less casualties because Israel actually tries to protect its citizens before and during attacks, when compared to Palestine.

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                I literally didn’t change my argument. I think you’re reading comprehension is failing.

                I got no problem with Israel trying to protect their citizens. What I do have a problem with. Is them running an open air genocide camp. Giving people little option but to host or tolerate Hamas. And killing indiscriminately. Israel could be doing things differently. Should be doing things differently. But people like yourself don’t care and we’ll defend them to the death. Refusing to give them any valid critique.

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                  Israel could be doing things differently.

                  How for example?

                  Refusing to give them any valid critique.

                  By “them” you surely mean Israel. What if I tell you the same about hamas? They said they will not stop their attacks until they destroy Israel, that’s about 9 million lifes. I give a valid critique to this: fuck them, it’s valid for any country to intervene and try to stop hamas. Would be great of they could educate Palestinians properly after that, but removing such a threat is a priority.

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      What do you mean war, the west bank is not controlled by hamas.

      This is brutalisation by an occupying force on a population living in an Israeli controlled Bantustan.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        Occupation is war. Apartheid is war. Oppression is a war on the oppressed.

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    This is the issue of apartheid. Apartheid doesn’t mean the government is evil, but it protects evil people when they do evil things.

    When you have two populations with unequal rights, there’s going to be some assholes who are going to exploit that. That’s just human nature

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      It’s also a feature of fascism. The police didn’t do anything to stop brown shirts from burning down Jewish businesses.

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      Sorry but how does that not make the government “evil”? Protecting or causing evil, same outcome in the end.