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    I don’t like this meme. Not because of the politics involved or anything, it just doesn’t make sense.

    I know it’s supposed to be a subversion of “They’re the same picture”, but now the conversation doesn’t work anymore.

    Corporate wants you to find the difference between the two pictures, not just confirm that they are indeed different. They know that.

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    That’s probably exactly what happened.

    Anyway, I’m glad you reposted. This is a good point that people need to remember.

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    Reddit is just another Israeli propaganda hole pretending to be objective and fair. All those stereotypes of the “Jews are controlling the media” sure are not being dismissed with their handling of the latest crisis information coming out. At this point I give zero fucks for Israel or funding them anything, it’s not good seeing US arms destroying innocents, and that includes our shitty foreign policy on other nations. We need to stop acting like petulant angry chimps.

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      “Jews are controlling the media”

      “The US bourgeoisie control the anglophone media and Israel is their aircraft carrier in the middle east”

      I hate how much people are able to channel antizionism into antisemitism, and how Israel actively encourages it.

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    I would like people making this difference with every nation and not just the one or two sainted ones.

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      Palestine doesn’t even possess the sovereignty they would need to be an ethnostate . . .

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      That doesn’t make a single bit of sense. Not all Jewish people are Israelis, in fact most of them are not. All Israelis are colonists and have the ability to leave to a different country at any time.

      In contrast Palestinians have nowhere else to go because they are a colonized people trying to live on land that is being stolen from them while being bombed and shot every day. Even before Oct. 7th this has been the case.

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        Not all Isralis are colonists. There were people living there before the borders were drawn who were not forced to leave, those people and their descendants are native Isralis.

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      Germany is 40 countrys in 16 trenchcoats and contains even in its today borders more than just one ethnic group.

      Also Russia??

      INDIA???

      Dude…

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      LMAO what a horrible take, not even one of those countries originated in a similar way to Israel 💀

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        Even if you take his statement as true it’s essentially arguing that historically genocides have happened and therefore Israel should get free rein to do one.

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          Its the exact same as when we talk about Police brutality and chuds say, ‘what about black on black crime’

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          Even if that argument was viable, I would argue Israel’s genocide starting less than a century ago makes it much more imperative to act against it.

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      only one ethnic group is criticized for it

      China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.

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        China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs

        Most Muslim countries do not condemn it. Most countries that are cool with bombing muslim countries condemn it. Curious.

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            He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.

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              No, what he’s saying is almost every Muslim country has sent investigators to China, and not one has found evidence of torture or abuse.

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              Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.

              The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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            The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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            The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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      Wow, this definitely is the most insane claim I have seen in the last 3 months at least.

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      Except none of the examples you’ve listed above are ethnic states. Russia, China, Turkey and India are multi-ethnic societies. Japan, Korea, France ,Sweden, have a ethno-linguistic bias, but it is still supportive of pluralistic societies. Pakistan is a synthetic ethnoreligious-state created on the basis of Islam, but ethno-linguistic sentiments are still strong withing Balochi, Pathans, Afghani, Sindhi, Punjabi and other minority groups living there.

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          I’ve got a book about the history of trains, but I’ve not seen anything about this. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?

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          Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’

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                  Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.

                  The law does three big things:

                  It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”

                  It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”

                  It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”

                  source

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      Really, foreign powers went into Japan, colonized it, held it for decades, and then gave it to a group of people who aren’t from there and forced 700,000 indigenous Japanese to leave their country and live in a concentration camp?

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      The difference I’ve seen is that people generally seem to be able to call out the crimes or bad behaviour of any of these governments without being called ‘racist to _____ ethnic group’. It has to go both ways, people need to stop blaming the crimes of Israeli governing party on the Jewish people as a whole, AND supporters of the that party’s actions need to stop labelling any criticism of them as antisemitic.

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        Lol, so not supporting genocide is now antisemitism. Other people got to commit genocide so Israel should too. All while acting like Israel is getting piled on for no reason other than being Jewish, as if no one’s criticized Russia or China or South Africa for the same thing.

        That’s some evil manipulative fucking shit right there.

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      Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.

      Judaism is simply a religion.

      Edit: Well TIL. Apologies, I didn’t mean to appear ignorant. Thank you to the people who have pointed out my misunderstanding. I will be reading more about this and try to get a better grasp on this topic.

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        You are 100% wrong. The word “Jewish” has a dual meaning and you’re ignoring the more relevant one. Try consulting a dictionary sometime. Or talk to a Jew about what it means to be Jewish.

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        We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.

        Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.

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          Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity

          No. National identity is a relatively modern idea for any group of people. Being Jewish is being part of a culture, not a nation.

          The person you’re responding to is an ass but you’re swinging too far in the opposite direction.

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        In order to be Jewish your mother needs to be Jewish. Converted Jews are widely shunned by the Jewish community.

        Anyone can convert to those other religions without needing a certain ethnicity.