When idiots realize American Idiot is actually about them.
Ya. Its laughable. It reminds me of this Nirvana song: In Bloom.
Shame Kirst seems to be a bit of a dick
Novoselic describes himself as an “anarcho-capitalist socialist moderate I-don’t know”. He has campaigned for political reform. In the 2016 election, he supported Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson
I haven’t even given Kirst a thought since Nirvana stopped touring in the 90’s. I wonder what Kurt would say if he was still alive though.
Also when the same crowd got super butthurt at Rage Against The Machine because they “got political”. What the fuck sort of machine did those idiots think the band is raging against…?
Critical thinking definitely isn’t a strong suit of the right wing base voters.
Haha yup. Punk, that famously neutral musical genre.
Gotta live how green day produced an album in 2004 about how destructive Bush was as a president, yet idiots think they are apolitocal somehow.
These are the same people who think Killing in the Name’s “and you do what they told ya” is supporting them.
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How dare Green Day do the exact thing you would expect Green Day to do if you knew the first thing about Green Day!
It’s like when Paul Ryan said his favorite band was Rage and Tom Morello wrote an oped about it
It’s so fucking stupid. I’m not a big fan of either Green Day or RATM’s music (nothing wrong with it, it’s just not my thing), but I don’t live under a rock. I’ve actually heard of the existence of American Idiot because I’ve been a warm body in America since 1977.
When someone like me who would rather listen to 1930s and 40s music knows enough about Green Day to not even bat an eye hearing this, these people are just drooling imbeciles. But then everyone here already knew that.
Got some 30s and 40s recs?
Sure. Lately, I have been listening to the Mills Brothers and early Ella Fitzgerald when she sang with Chick Webb’s band.
Nice, not as familiar with the old trad pop stuff but I always like the early jazz
I love Ella Fitzgerald but I’m pretty new to her stuff. How do I find the stuff she did with Webb’a band? I’ve got Spotify and can download anything.
I don’t know about it streaming. I bought this CD boxed set when it came out a decade ago and ripped it to my computer. Maybe it’s on Spotify? Or maybe just look for a collection of Ella on Decca? Although she was with them until the 50s, I think.
Thanks. I didn’t find the record on Spotify so illl just download it from orpheus or soulseek. Thanks for the suggestion :)
Billie Joe never holds back.
“Get up here numbnuts, I’ll fight you right now”
dropkicks the pervert for molesting a fan
Holy shit
American Idiot’s commentary is rooted deep within the band. Minority is probably my favorite Green Day song… ‘She’ is a close second. The lyrics are incredible.
Reminds me of Jack Kirby, one of the creators of Captain America. He drew him punching out Hitler on the cover of #1. The US wasn’t in the war at the time and American Nazis were not rare, even in New York.
Some dudes came to his office building and offered to fight him (they called from the lobby). Unfortunately for them, Jack had grown up fighting in the streets of Depression era NYC. He agreed and by the time his elevator reached the lobby they had run away.
or punk rock
Wait… even all of those songs about Margaret Thatcher?!
Man Bill Hader and Fred Armisen can really pull off a chav accent!
It’s one of my favourite sketches, really captures the feel of a BBC music documentary.
songs about Margaret Thatcher
Based Chumbawamba, the EP in tribute of Thatcher was to be distributed on the day of her future passing, “and if you don’t like it you can use it as a coaster or something.”
I demand they go back to writing songs exclusively about masturbation and getting stoned!
Aww, did the “fuck your feelings” crowd get their little feelings hurt? Who are the snowflakes again?
There is no “me” in “your feelings”. So they will never get it.
many such cases
If conservatives want to listen to music that echos what they hear in Murdoch media outlets, they might want to avoid punk. Also, hip hop and rap. Probably also want to avoid, metal, classic rock, folk, indie, jazz, and EDM. Best to just avoid cool, formerly cool, and or cool adjacent music.
You should be generally safe with pop country, Christian rock, and post-00’s butt rock.
Don’t worry, conservatives still have Kid Rock, that dude from Staind, Gene Simmons, and Ted “shit himself to avoid the draft” Nugent. Truly the best of the best, huh?
He already said avoid cool music. You didn’t have to illustrate it further.
Given that the conservatives keep being surprised by bands not supporting their shit agenda, yeah… we do. They thought Rage Against the Machine aligned with them politically. They aren’t going to figure it out on their own.
Who did they think the Machine was?
I suspect that they heard “killing in the name” and thought it was gloating instead of protest.
“Some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses”
Murrica!
Holy fuck, now I’m wondering if that song effectively ended up as recruitment material to encourage more cross burners to seek employment in law enforcement.
Bert?
The washing machine probably
Don’t forget 3 doors down.
wat
I’m sure plenty of them still buy the urban legend about 311’s name.
Exactly. Butt rock.
Unfortunately Dave Mustaine is also a Trump nut, but luckily I haven’t seen any Megadeth appearances at Trump rallies
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My conservative, Trump supporting uncle listens to Bob Dylan and Neil Young and doesn’t see the irony
Hey, I cringe a bit when I listen to A7X lyrics. But still scratches that diet metal itch
“Diet metal” is a great way to describe A7X, I’m stealing this.
Megadeth is my favorite metal band but it’s my guilty listen, since Dave Mustaine is a religious Trump nut.
If I recall correctly, they did an interview with AP or Metal Hammer back in the 00’s explaining that they weren’t a Christian band, they just liked how brutal the story of Cane and Abel was from the Bible and used it as a framing device.
Correct me if I’m wrong, though; I haven’t looked them up in over a decade.
Political conservative victimism is a recurring theme in their lyrics. It’s pretty cringey, but those guitar licks are crazy.
Southern Man, when will you pay them back? Takes on new meaning when you’ve got a south will rise again revenge plot fantasy in your head.
I remember back in the mid 2000s when they latched on to the Dixie Chicks’ pop country music as being ‘wholesome conservative music’. And then their very vocal rage when the Dixie Chicks publicly dissed W.
That was pretty funny. Not quite on a level of ‘freedom fries’ funny, or ‘buying expensive French wine only to pour it down the drain in protest’ funny. But it wasn’t too far off.
The Dixie Chicks are one of the few acts that were actually kind of “canceled”.
first ive heard of the expensive french wine down the drain, is there a name for that protest? im a winemaker in australia this shit is hilarious to me
Not sure about a name for the protest, but the are a number of articles out there. There’s a entertaining NYT article about a restauranteur pouring $1,000 bottles of don Peringnon(sp?) down his toilet in protest. But it’s behind a postal so I won’t link that one. But here’s another related link:
That whole anti-French movement was insane. I remember my wife and I were going to visit England (where I am from, but I live in America) that summer. And the shuttle driver (who was taking us to the airport) and I got friendly chit-chatting. Very cordial and easy-breazy. But he stopped mid-sentence and asked if I was French (because French and English accents are so similar?!). When I told him I wasn’t, he said “that’s good, because if you were I’d pull over right now and leave you on the side of the freeway!” Kind of ironic too, that driver was a black dude, so I’ve would think he’d be a bit more mindful of how stupid discrimination is.
I am going to say it. I don’t think it was real. I think they filled those bottles with red dyed water. It felt so manufactured at the time.
I respect The Chicks a lot more looking back and realizing just how strong their position was when you basically had an entire media industry and censorship falling behind Bush, 9/11, the Iraq War.
WTYPpod brought up the Dixie Chicks in their bonus episode about country music.
Interesting to hear about.
They even go by “The Chicks” now to ditch the Confederate association.
You know, I just realized that Hitler failing to get into art school is so much deeper of a joke than I realized.
Dude was an authoritarian. Artists are pretty universally anti authority. You could say it was his lack of skill to get into art school, or his education, or a whole bunch of things. Or you can say Hilter was already anti-artist, why would an art school educate that?
“passable level of technique, entirely uninspired work without any semblance of originality”
they saw right through him.
The failed actor to right wing pipeline is definitely a phenomenon, see Crowder and Shapiro. It’s almost a welfare program for wealthy fail-sons.
it was super bland architectural art, not really anything emotional
Nope Taylor Swift and The Chicks are bringing in pop country too.
They got both types of music. Country and Western.
This being “the left can’t meme” adjacent, my favorite one to pull out in this type of discussion is “name one successful right-wing comedian.”
You should be generally safe with pop country, Christian rock, and post-00’s butt rock.
I have a counterpoint to Christian rock. The first album I bought at the Christian bookstore in the mid 90s, back when they had those “if you like [secular band], listen to [Christian band]” charts, was the Christian ska band Five Iron Frenzy’s Upbeats and Beatdowns. The first chorus on the first song destroyed my sheltered church kid brain:
West we must, in God we trust, lets rape lets kill lets steal
We can almost justify, anything we feel
As the Bush years set in and the fight for gay marriage and abortion caused increasing political reactions from the church, many of these lyrics I attribute to starting my journey to the margins of church culture, discovering Christian socialism, New Monasticism, and an eventual leadership role. I later left the church and religion for other reasons.
A lot of Christian rock is purely marketing though, bands that could be signed to major labels but found a Christian label willing to pay them. It’s a huge industry. Contemporary Christian Music/CCM swallowed up a lot of the industry back when I was more engaged with it. Newsboys going worship represents this for anyone in the know here, basically a pretty quirky and idiosyncratic band turning in to the most bland and boring Christian music possible. Could maybe argue the same for early Reliant K who turned in to pretty mainstream post punk.
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Why do they have the worst music, art, and comedians? The only ones I can think of over the past century are Wagner, HP Lovecraft, and Kelsey Grammer. The past 100 years has produced more culture than all of human history combined and multiplied. Of that ocean I can only come up with 3 names that might be remembered a century from now. Not sure about 2 of them.
Does anyone remember that Lee Greenwood song they used to play at every Fourth of July celebration in the 90s?
From the people that brought you, “I liked RATM before they got all political”
what’s that famous song of theirs?
ah, yes, that old chestnut…
or was it this one?
morello really gets around :P
magatard version: “Oh no he shoulda done what they tole him.”
oH My GoD ThEy sHoUlDnT Be PolitIcaL like ThaT!
Hey maga people, remember when you were really concerned about free speech and people being canceled for “just voicing their opinion”?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
It’s never about freedom of speech, it’s about freedom of their speech and only theirs.
It’s about freedom of their speech and their freedom to control yours.
Same as it ever was. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Roseanne Barry just kicked DeNiro off of some show she’s doing for being “woke.”
Of course, every MAGAt is cheering and not a single one is screaming about how um actually it’s illegal to not do business with someone you don’t like, like they do to us.
People who abuse and manipulate their family also have social media, which they use to abuse and manipulate society.
They’re a certain type of person and for a lot of people, social media is their first real experience with these patterns of behaviour that were usually hidden behind closed doors.
But for anyone who grew up in an abusive home and broke the cycle, it’s instantly recognisable.
The tricks and motivations don’t change. They want to dictate how everyone around them looks, acts and thinks. If anybody gets it wrong, they lash out at them and try to hurt them physically or emotionally.
Everything that comes out of their mouths is just a means to that end. Things like logic and consistency don’t even enter into it.
They have no qualms at all about deliberately misinterpreting “freedom of speech” so they can say what they like, then handwaving it away so they can prevent others from doing the same.
Except they’ve never hidden the fact that their “free speech” only applies to their opinions and they have never even once endorsed anyone else’s right to voice their own opinions. Apparent in the fact that they consider things like LGBTQ+ advocacy, where members of that community express their opinions and exercise that right, to somehow be an active suppression of their free speech because, well because they disagree with the LGBTQ+ community and their messages so they don’t think they should have the right to express it.
As with everything else with these types, it’s “free speech for me, but not for thee.”
*Green Day does Green Day thing*
White Supremacist MAGAts:
Why insult Conan like this? ;)
Every day, all day long, with short breaks for masturbation and rubbing shit in their hair.
Okay how about we stop calling it a meltdown and start calling it a temper tantrum just like the ones toddlers throw. The solution for both is the same, putting them in a corner and ignoring them until they act like reasonable people while the adults keep things running
Isn’t meltdown just the modern term for a temper tantrum?
By corner they mean insurrection at the us capitol.
They still occasionally smear shit on the walls though…
lol, fucking snowflakes getting upset over the tiniest of things.
What “Machine” did you think he was raging against? The dishwasher?
Definitely a printer
I once had a dark vision of loading up all the printers I “managed” (they manage us really), driving over to HP, and catapulting them at the building or/and parking lot while screaming things like
“Out of toner motherfuckers!”
“Cancel this print job”
“Oh look it’s time for another update to enhance my experience”
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Understandable
SELL THE HOUSES TO WHO, BEN? AQUAMAN?
No it was definitely a printer!
Electric stoves.
Who are you quoting?
Interesting, thank you!
“As far as i’m concerned you and Pink are completely done.”
I know the article calls this out too but WHAT!? I mean, good for this guy for having diverse tastes in music, but Pink went full pop basically in her second album. (If I recall correctly, it was a long time ago and I’m not a huge Pink fan). But Pink has never hidden her tendency towards activism.
And not to gatekeep, I get that people enjoy music for different reasons, but it just seems odd that someone would actually be a fan of Rage Against the Machine and expect anything less. And again, the guy acknowledges Rage’s political activist nature in the article, but now it’s apparently too much since he no longer agrees with their message. That sure sounds like “cancel culture” to me.
Yes, the tendency of right wingers to define themselves as oppressed victims seems to add to them regularly identifying with left perspectives for all the wrong reasons.
Another very weird example if this was a young female nationalist and xenophobe from Germany, who unironically covered the radical anti colonialist Get Up, Stand Up by Bob Marley and The Wailers, in a cringe af YouTube video. Before anyone asks, I sadly was not able to find it anymore, otherwise I would have posted a link for your amusement of course.
Then there was also the teenage anti-vaxxer, who held a speech at a protest organized by the Querdenker movement (german localization of QAnon) and seriously compared herself to Anne Frank during WWII, because she illegally held her birthday party in secret during the covid lockdown. You can´t make this shit up …
but now it’s apparently too much since he no longer agrees with their message
Yep, sure has ‘don’t make me uncomfortable for having politics that sanction oppression’ energy to it.
I hadn’t seen Tom Morello’s reply. That’s brilliant
That’s okay. They can still sing “Born in the USA” because that song is super-patriotic and not critical of America at all.
Oh, wait…
Man, I liked all these bands before they got all political!
Rage Against the Washing Machine
They had all kinds of household item related songs like “Sleep now in the dryer”, “Grilling in the name”, and “Spatula radio”
(OK, the last one was a bit of a stretch.)
They play Killing in the Name at Columbus Blue Jackets games all the time and it cracks me up. I wonder what they think “Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses” means.
I still don’t get it. Rage was always political and they never hid it. I can still remember on their first website having a detailed FAQ on exactly what type of communist each band member identified with. Also they were putting stuff out in the CD era when you would literally get a slip of paper that showed you the lyrics. So it couldn’t have been that they didn’t know what the songs were about.
What part was confusing? You can have all the debates you want about communism and about music’s role in politics but there is no debate at all exactly what these guys stood for. It was a known product. How was anyone for a second confused that a band screaming about class warfare is leftwing? Those twats must have been lying about how they felt betrayed. It is “I am shocked shocked there is gambling going on here” on roids.
when you would literally get a slip of paper that showed you the lyrics.
Insert “If Those Kids Could Read, They’d Be Very Upset” meme here.
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Did they expect Green Day to be pro-fascism?
Don’t wanna be an American idiot
He’s the one who likes all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along and he likes to shoot his gun But he don’t know what it means
That was Nirvana, you know, the band that Green Day wanted to be at the start.
You’re of the opinion that the Bay-area pop-punk band wanted to be like the PNW grunge band?
Kerplunk and Bleach sound nothing alike, I think I’m misunderstanding what you meant?
Ya, not even the same genre. If you don’t like the music just say that instead of comparing them to someone else that you do like
They didn’t even have the courage to say they don’t like Green Day (I’m not a huge fan myself), all they did was show their knowledge of music is paltry.
I mean, I wouldn’t say nothing alike. The fan base certainly hugely overlaps, and they both come from a punk rock origin.
I don’t listen to Green Day, so I don’t know about any of their albums’ specifics. After Nirvana ended I saw Green Day first on a late night talk show, and they came out and played the same style of music that Nirvana made popular, with a similar stage presence and style. That’s when I assumed they wanted to be Nirvana.
Later they changed into modern Green Day that is completely different than what they were at the start.
“I don’t actually know anything about music but I saw a talk show once in the 90s”
lol
Yeah he’s just an old dude that trolls, but he’s an actual troll, so it’s not like he’s doing it to be a dink for karma, he’s just really insufferable as a person. He migrated over from Reddit where he did the same thing there.
The amount of hours this guy has invested across Lemmy and Reddit is insane, so, at some point, you just have to respect the dedication and interact with him at your leisure. At least, that’s what I do.
Really, you must be very interested in my comments then. What’s my Reddit handle, since you know so much?
You must really not like all the things that I’m right about, have you seen a therapist about your cognitive dissonance problems?
K
What composed the “style of music” that you feel Nirvana made popular that Green Day was imitating? Music with guitars and distortion?
I think it was all the singing with their mouths and their guitars with strings, what a bunch of biters
Specific chord structures and rhythms actually. If you knew much about guitar you could see the similarities in their early stuff and Nirvana’s popular songs. Overall the same punk-grunge style basically.
They both formed the same exact year, though, so I don’t know how one would be copying the other. If you actually know anything about guitar, you would know all modern rock music pretty much copies the Beatles. It’s why the chord structures and rythyms are similar in most popular rock and pop music.
Try finding a punk rock fan in the 90s who would argue that Green Day are punk. If you did, you’d find them surrounded by a group of other angry punks insisting otherwise.
They seem to have let off sometime after American Idiot was released, but there were long, heated discussions about this back then.
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FYI Green Day plays and sounds like other bands. I went to a concert of theirs where they played like six different bands and sounded just like them. They are very skilled musicians.
He wasn’t attributing the song stanza to Green Day.
Just saying it was relevant to the context of the article.
Lol Green Day wanted to be Nirvana? Not a huge fan of either band really, and Green Day wasn’t exactly groundbreaking stuff, but it’s a completely different genre than Nirvana.
I don’t think they landed far from the mark.
They gave it their best shot.
This is so easy to debunk with a simple search. Both bands formed the same exact year 1987. I dont think either band knew about each other until the 90s.
Dude get the fuck off of my nutsack. This is not an important topic to keep on about.
Lmao you sound mad. I’ll stay on whoever the fucks nutsack I want. Maybe don’t comment dumb things if you don’t want to be corrected.
OK well, you will not bother me again because you are now blocked, you dumbass dipshit.
Green day wanted to be Nirvana ? boy did they overshoot
I think Kurt Cobain was the only one doing any shooting.
At this point it is remarkably refreshing to see a childhood hero still be based. Feels like a breath of reality in a stuffy box of hypocrisy and pretension.
Don’t worry I am sure Billie will go on Twatter later and say something problematic. It is the way of the universe to correct these irregularities.
We don’t get to have heros. We get people we like for a few minutes and then they go insane
He’s never done anything even approaching that in his entire life. He’s not about to start now. Billie Joe Armstrong is a fucking legend and one of maybe five people in the world I am completely positive will always remain a good person.
What’s next are they going to complain a second time about rage against the machine?
Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me.
They already did.
They did it 2 or more times? Good god.
